Film Score Monthly
FSM HOME MESSAGE BOARD FSM CDs FSM ONLINE RESOURCES FUN STUFF ABOUT US  SEARCH FSM   
Search Terms: 
Search Within:   search tips 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2018 - 7:14 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

SO I am watching the season finale of WESTWORLD and here comes Beethoven' Seventh Symphony adagio again!
I t is a wonderful piece of music but ,like many classics, it is overused for dramatic underscore.

Some other classical and contemporary pieces that need to go away, for awhile at least*:


MARS/ THE PLANETS
NIGHT ON Bald mountain
RITE OF SPRING
SIEGFRIED AND WALKURE
THE FIREBIRD
THE SEASONS (Vivaldi)
BRANDENBURG CONCERTO

SPIEGEL IM SPIEGEL, FRATRES, - (Part)
THIRD SYMPHONY (Gorecki)

tons more. feel free to add to the list
BRM

p.s. The list doesn't include the many uncredited uses and adaptations by film composers


*exceptions made when used for ironic or comedic purposes

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2018 - 7:31 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

That plodding harpsichord dirge from Barry Lyndon.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2018 - 7:47 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Bear McCreary wrote his own classical and opera pieces for BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, and it worked out great.

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2018 - 7:49 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Bear McCreary wrote his own classical and opera pieces for BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, and it worked out great.



As did Bennie Herrmann!
CITIZEN KANE & HANGOVER SQUARE
brm

 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2018 - 7:57 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Bear McCreary wrote his own classical and opera pieces for BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, and it worked out great.



As did Bennie Herrmann!
CITIZEN KANE & HANGOVER SQUARE
brm

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 3, 2018 - 11:40 PM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Bear McCreary wrote his own classical and opera pieces for BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, and it worked out great.

Yes, the evidence for Ramin Djawadi being no Bear McCreary is pretty convincing.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2018 - 12:27 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Sam Barber’s Adagio has its own film vocabulary after so much use and surely is now too specific to appear in anything else for a decade or two.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2018 - 12:32 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

Yup, I'd have to agree, a complete lack of imagination. I'm a big fan of Vivaldi's music & The Four Seasons is a great set of concertos (well four, out of a set of twelve), but he wrote so much more really catchy stuff. When a film maker goes off the beaten path, like Kubrick did with those Ligeti pieces in 2001, it can make a big impression.

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2018 - 5:17 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Bear McCreary wrote his own classical and opera pieces for BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, and it worked out great.

Bear McCreary *was allowed to write* his own classical and opera pieces for BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, and it worked out great.

#fixedthatforyou

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2018 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Sam Barber’s Adagio has its own film vocabulary after so much use and surely is now too specific to appear in anything else for a decade or two.

That's why i left it off.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2018 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Funny you should mention The Firebird in your initial post. TCM just ran an obscure 1934 flick I'd never heard of, a melodrama called THE FIREBIRD. (The cast included TCM's star of the day, Lionel Atwill) I haven't watched it yet, (it's DVR'd), but I watched the opening main title credits, and they were scored entirely with the titular music of Stravinsky's ballet. The only score credit went to the Warner Brothers musical director, Leo F. Forbstein, conducting the Vitaphone Orchestra. Apparently, (according to IMDB), there was some scoring written by Bernhard (FRANKENSTEIN) Kaun, but he, like Mr. Stravinsky, received no screen credit.

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2018 - 3:17 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Igor lost the copyright. One reason it was used alot!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2018 - 3:42 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

"Ride of the Valkyries"

Great in Apocalypse Now, it's just been used to death now...

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2018 - 4:22 PM   
 By:   McD   (Member)

SO I am watching the season finale of WESTWORLD and here comes Beethoven' Seventh Symphony adagio again!
I t is a wonderful piece of music but ,like many classics, it is overused for dramatic underscore.

Some other classical and contemporary pieces that need to go away, for awhile at least*:


MARS/ THE PLANETS
NIGHT ON Bald mountain
RITE OF SPRING
SIEGFRIED AND WALKURE
THE FIREBIRD
THE SEASONS (Vivaldi)
BRANDENBURG CONCERTO

SPIEGEL IM SPIEGEL, FRATRES, - (Part)
THIRD SYMPHONY (Gorecki)

tons more. feel free to add to the list
BRM

p.s. The list doesn't include the many uncredited uses and adaptations by film composers


*exceptions made when used for ironic or comedic purposes


I’ve been saying this for years, but everyone needs to do themselves a favour on Spiegel Im Spiegel (Arvo Part) and listen to its first (to the best of my knowledge) film use in Mother Night (1996). Composer Michael Convertino had the nerve to orchestrate it. Twice. And deservedly got co-composer credit on both of his versions. He takes a classic piece of music and frankly blows it away with his overlay. On both occasions. He even brings what is an open ended piece to an earth shattering conclusion on his second attempt.

It’s simply as good as film music gets. Available on an old Varese Sarabande OST.

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2018 - 7:31 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

MCD I LOVE YOU!

I have raved about that piece and arrangement since I first saw the film.
It is used brilliantly by the director accompanying a montage of events in the life of the main character.

I looked for the cd for ages before finally nabbing a copy!!!!!
brm

p.s I am sure you notice that Convertino's 'original" score is imitative of the Part pieces and style.

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2018 - 7:32 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

"Ride of the Valkyries"

Great in Apocalypse Now, it's just been used to death now...


Thats source, not underscore.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2018 - 12:27 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

"Igor lost the copyright. One reason it was used alot!"

IMDB TRIVIA:

"In 1936 Igor Stravinsky sued Warner Bros. over the 'misuse' of his themes from the ballet "The Firebird". In 1938 a French court awarded him one franc in damages, instead of the 300,000 francs he was claiming."

***

Tonight I caught the rest of this strange movie, artfully directed by William Dieterle, but ultimately pretentious, moralistic and muddled. The composer does get his due in the dialogue when a matriarch scolds her daughter for playing a forbidden phonograph record of "The Firebird by Igor Stravinsky," which she claims is "fit only for savages." Which of course many people felt about "The Rite of Spring" at its infamous premiere, but not "The Firebird."

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2018 - 12:44 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

"O Fortuna" from Carmina Burana.

 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2018 - 5:35 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

These classics are the musical equivalent of clichés. If these platitudes were in a book-manuscript, every publisher would edit them out.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2018 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   lacoq   (Member)

In terms of overuse, the same could be said for popular song, etc. .....how many times in the movies have we heard "What A Wonderful World", "Just The Way You Look Tonight", "Nessun Dorma", "Spirit In The Sky" and a few more? Talk about limited imagination! No one making a film seems to look past what they previously heard in a film, but instead says "oh I like that tune let's use it in our film too". They don't bother to open their minds to other song possibilities, especially when there are hundreds if not thousands of great songs, American Standards and otherwise that could be used instead, and therefore give the film a "fresh" new/ old sound when the need to use a song is called for.....but not surprising, just the same old same old.

 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
© 2018 Film Score Monthly. All Rights Reserved.