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 Posted:   Aug 7, 2018 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

What about the rising and falling semitones and the gun barrel at the start - are they Norman or Barry?

Well, as dumb as it sounds, musicologist Stanley Sadie (a HUGELY respected man in academic circles) actually said in court that the eight notes that finish off the main guitar riff were not written by Barry because they were based on two chords in 'Dr. No's Fantasy'.

Talk about what money does, even to good brains.

Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2018 - 5:02 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)



I'm glad you had a good time Alex! Yes, Williams is one of my favorites along with Conti, Kamen and Barry. BTW, I just got Barry's KING KONG, he was such a great composer! You know Barry won five Oscars, impressive.smile


I find it even more impressive that he didn't win any for his Bond scores wink.

Alex


Probably best that he didn't. The courts surely would have made him relinquish any such statues earned to Monty.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2018 - 10:46 PM   
 By:   dave norris   (Member)

What about the rising and falling semitones and the gun barrel at the start - are they Norman or Barry?

Well, as dumb as it sounds, musicologist Stanley Sadie (a HUGELY respected man in academic circles) actually said in court that the eight notes that finish off the main guitar riff were not written by Barry because they were based on two chords in 'Dr. No's Fantasy'.

Talk about what money does, even to good brains.

Alex


Both Peter Greenhill and I attended the trial against The Sunday Times in full & we both made extensive notes. Dr Stanley Sadie was a witness for the Monty Norman side & this is what I wrote down at the time...

‘His conclusion,of 50 bars (not including the vamp). 10 bars don't owe anything to Bad Sign Good Sign but the rest do "in some degree" & the final version of theme, JB had carried out the traditional job of the arranger & that the fundamental idea was Norman’s & he is the "PRIME COMPOSER" but admitted that JB had "arranged & bit more" & was the originator of an "original 60's sound". ‘

 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2018 - 1:46 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

The rising and falling of semitones starting on the 5th of the chord ( B in the case of the Bond theme which is in E minor) is a common arranging device. It was used in Artie Shaw's theme "Nightmare" back in the 40's.

It's also heard in Weill's song Lonely House from Street Scene.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2018 - 6:20 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

About the vamp: Barry didn't compose it, but just consider--throughout his eleven scores--just how inventive he was in the countless variations, creating tension, suspense, and as a musical indicator for Bond. He could do such much with any fragment of the Bond theme. He may not have written it, but he owned it the same way that Sinatra owns "My Kind of Town"

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2018 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)


Both Peter Greenhill and I attended the trial against The Sunday Times in full & we both made extensive notes. Dr Stanley Sadie was a witness for the Monty Norman side & this is what I wrote down at the time...

‘His conclusion,of 50 bars (not including the vamp). 10 bars don't owe anything to Bad Sign Good Sign but the rest do "in some degree" & the final version of theme, JB had carried out the traditional job of the arranger & that the fundamental idea was Norman’s & he is the "PRIME COMPOSER" but admitted that JB had "arranged & bit more" & was the originator of an "original 60's sound". ‘


Thanks for your input, Dave. I would have been genuinely shocked if Sadie had claimed the whole piece was Norman's. Fortunately, he had enough good sense to give Barry some credit, even if he grossly underestimated the miracles Barry pulled off with that theme.

Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2018 - 4:32 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

About the vamp: Barry didn't compose it, but just consider--throughout his eleven scores--just how inventive he was in the countless variations, creating tension, suspense, and as a musical indicator for Bond. He could do such much with any fragment of the Bond theme. He may not have written it, but he owned it the same way that Sinatra owns "My Kind of Town"

You might as well add the distinctive theme songs Barry wrote for most of his Bond scores, and what you have as a result is the richest picture-score series in film history. Star Wars doesn't even come close.

Alex

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2018 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   Guenther K   (Member)

quote:
February 27, 1962
A writ on behalf of musicians Carlos Malcolm and Ernest Ranglin was served by their representative, Hugh Levy Jr, on Eon Productions. Levy claimed that Malcolm had been engaged to compose music for the film and supervise the recordings, while Ranglin was employed to look after the arrangements. Levy was seeking to recover £1,064.

From:
http://jamesbondmemes.blogspot.com/2012/04/how-did-gleaner-cover-dr-no.html

Fascinating...

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2018 - 10:46 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

quote:
February 27, 1962
A writ on behalf of musicians Carlos Malcolm and Ernest Ranglin was served by their representative, Hugh Levy Jr, on Eon Productions. Levy claimed that Malcolm had been engaged to compose music for the film and supervise the recordings, while Ranglin was employed to look after the arrangements. Levy was seeking to recover £1,064.

From:
http://jamesbondmemes.blogspot.com/2012/04/how-did-gleaner-cover-dr-no.html

Fascinating...


Wow. Never heard of them and I certainly never suspected anyone else had been involved in the music. Then again, it looks like Malcolm and Ranglin were musicians with a similar role to that of Byron Lee's - that is, artists in charge of adding a local flavor to the film.

Alex

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2018 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   Guenther K   (Member)

quote:
February 27, 1962
A writ on behalf of musicians Carlos Malcolm and Ernest Ranglin was served by their representative, Hugh Levy Jr, on Eon Productions. Levy claimed that Malcolm had been engaged to compose music for the film and supervise the recordings, while Ranglin was employed to look after the arrangements. Levy was seeking to recover £1,064.

From:
http://jamesbondmemes.blogspot.com/2012/04/how-did-gleaner-cover-dr-no.html

Fascinating...


Wow. Never heard of them and I certainly never suspected anyone else had been involved in the music. Then again, it looks like Malcolm and Ranglin were musicians with a similar role to that of Byron Lee's - that is, artists in charge of adding a local flavor to the film.

Alex


Well the "composing" is the interesting bit. Malcolm and Ranglin settled out of court for £200 according to Jon Burlingame. A good amount of money in Jamaica in the days.
But Carlos Malcolm is still angry about that he was so stupid to sign it away so cheaply.

Still Carlos Malcolm, Ernest Ranglin and a certain John Barry had long successful music careers in their respective fields, where Mr Norman as good as retired post 1963. Your guess is as good as mine.


 
 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2018 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

I've got a couple of Ranglin's CDs. He's a very good guitarist and he blends jazz and ska.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2018 - 4:01 AM   
 By:   evawilson12   (Member)

Can you explain what are talking about ?




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 Posted:   Aug 11, 2018 - 6:13 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Can you explain what are talking about ?




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If you were writing my assignment I’d like it if you put in the occasional pronoun.

 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2018 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Can you explain what are talking about ?




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If you were writing my assignment I’d like it if you put in the occasional pronoun.


A writing service for Nigerian online scammers, methinks...

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2018 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

Another side note about Barry's influence on the overall sound of The James Bond Theme: here is a piece Barry wrote for the Chappel music library (in 1959 if I remember correctly), called MOOD ONE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu6iREm4ku0

From the information I have been able to obtain from a vintage Chappel Music catalog, Barry wrote only five pieces for the library, MOOD ONE, MOOD TWO, MOOD THREE, MOOD FOUR and SMOKEY JAZZ. You can easily find them all on YouTube.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2018 - 3:29 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

Another side note about Barry's influence on the overall sound of The James Bond Theme: here is a piece Barry wrote for the Chappel music library (in 1959 if I remember correctly), called MOOD ONE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu6iREm4ku0

From the information I have been able to obtain from a vintage Chappel Music catalog, Barry wrote only five pieces for the library, MOOD ONE, MOOD TWO, MOOD THREE, MOOD FOUR and SMOKEY JAZZ. You can easily find them all on YouTube.


These were all included in "The Early Years" compilation Geoff Leonard and co. released not long ago. And I actually have the original Chappel music library LP, which has the exact numbers you mention (thus indicating that Barry's library catalogue was small).

Alex

 
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