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 Posted:   Aug 14, 2018 - 8:17 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Can't bear most of them, but Sister Marie Keyrouz is special...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99No7L5YyA8&t=0s&index=22&list=OLAK5uy_lgeKjQQuUbmXlXG_3bvZDLXn7tRkpu04k&frags=pl%2Cwn

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2018 - 11:06 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Can't bear most of them, but Sister Marie Keyrouz is special...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99No7L5YyA8&t=0s&index=22&list=OLAK5uy_lgeKjQQuUbmXlXG_3bvZDLXn7tRkpu04k&frags=pl%2Cwn


Can't stand hardly any of them. (Bottom of the list is that babe that howled all the way through GLADIATOR.) I am fond of MARIE DE NAZARETH however so Sister Marie gets a pass... I can't remember this score getting much of a mention around here, but it certainly deserves some consideration.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 12:02 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I recall enjoying this very much. Olivier Lliboutry is a real gent.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 3:06 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Didn't Horner once put out an album called "A Whole lotta Wailing Going On!"

I remember hearing some female wailing in his AMAZING SPIDERMAN Score and I remember being in the Theater and saying "Why?"

Rest In Peace dear Maestro. You are truly missed.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 3:09 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

How about Bill Conti's PARADISE ALLEY?

Oh wait, that wasn't a lady. It was Stallone and he was sort of Wailing.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 3:19 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Love the sound myself.

GLADIATOR is the pinnacle, IMO, but I basically love anything Lisa Gerrard does -- THE INSIDER, BLACK HAWK DOWN, VALLEY OF SHADOWS, her own score WHALERIDER and several more.

Didn't Mychael Danna do this ever so often before Zimmer popularized it with GLADIATOR?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 3:26 AM   
 By:   yeti   (Member)

Gabriel Yared's TROY has some breathtaking wailing woman.

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 3:32 AM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

There's no such thing.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 3:57 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I think it works well in Gladiator, and clearly others agreed, given the sudden wall-to-wall wailing women that followed in its wake. (Ditto the duduk, which was suddenly ubiquitous in any score based east of Calais.)

However my favourite wailing woman in a soundtrack context may well be Gianna Spagnolo in Moses the Lawgiver. Laments by definition aren’t a good thing but her work for Ennio is truly wondrous.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 4:30 AM   
 By:   MCurry29   (Member)

I love it as well Thor. Maria di Nazaret- Guy Fraley

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 8:16 AM   
 By:   Leorx   (Member)

For me it is Samsara and Lisa Gerrard: https://youtu.be/Abd3Wtu3Suo?t=43s

It is better than Gladiator, because in Gladiator she said that she more or less had to manipulate the audience, unlike in Samsara, where the wailing was more natural, without the goal of having to manipulate the audience in any particular direction. You can just sink into the film without feeling that you are getting manipulated (even if that's manipulative too - nothing isn't, but it is a more benign form of manipulation).

Samsara is probably her most honest work as soundtrack vocalist. Most of her other film stuff tends to have more "pointed" use of vocals, not that it is bad, but it is clear that she is trying to manipulate the audience in a more obvious way.

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 8:22 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Love the sound myself.

GLADIATOR is the pinnacle, IMO, but I basically love anything Lisa Gerrard does -- THE INSIDER, BLACK HAWK DOWN, VALLEY OF SHADOWS, her own score WHALERIDER and several more.


Fingernails on a blackboard to me, but to each his own...

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 8:23 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Fingernails on a blackboard to me, but to each his own...

Sure. I have other sounds that irk me, like lots of 'wailling brass'.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

You must hate Eliot Goldenthal then!!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 8:43 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

You must hate Eliot Goldenthal then!!

He does 'clusters' more than he does 'wailing brass'. But yes, that's not my favourite part of his scores. 'Wailing brass', to me, is more what John Barry does in his "action" scenes.

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 8:43 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Don't know about best, but one of my old favorites is Merry Clayton, "Performance" ~1:14:

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Love the sound myself.

GLADIATOR is the pinnacle, IMO, but I basically love anything Lisa Gerrard does -- THE INSIDER, BLACK HAWK DOWN, VALLEY OF SHADOWS, her own score WHALERIDER and several more.

Didn't Mychael Danna do this ever so often before Zimmer popularized it with GLADIATOR?


Thor we are in agreement here. Agree with Gladiator and love her in everything she lends her voice to.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

I'll throw an odd choice out there: Maurice Jarre's JACOBS'S LADDER.

Filled with wailing men and women vocalists, mixed choir, synthetic combos thereof. Intoxicating and unique stuff when combined with the dark synths, saranghi, ethic woodwinds and other oddball ingredients. It's the most effective synth/orchestral hybrids he ever did (for me the ONLY effective one really) and of course the wailing vocalist thing was a much fresher and more interesting approach in 1990 than it is today. Wonderful film, too!

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

I prefer it more as a spice than an entree, so on that note I'd throw in a vote for the way Williams uses Lisbeth Scott in MUNICH. It's anything but subtle when her tortured lamentations appear, but I like the way Williams judiciously and specifically places them in the score rather than leaning on them to carry the mood throughout.

My favorite single use of Gerrard's work in film is my favorite single Gerrard work, which is the haunting effect of "Sacrifice" in THE INSIDER. As far as her work for film, GLADIATOR is fantastic on the whole but I really love the subtle, ghostly way she weaves in and out of MAN ON FIRE.

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2018 - 9:47 AM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

Also, does Maggie Boyle count? Her work with Horner, particularly PATRIOT GAMES which I caught on TV last weekend, is equal parts luminous and melancholy in a way that is utterly beguiling.

 
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