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 Posted:   Sep 3, 2018 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   alexp   (Member)

If a UHD Blu Ray disc release of ALIEN were to come out in 2019, I would not have it in my collection.

It FOX wants my money, this UHD Blu Ray will have the workprint cut of the film. It would be the one that Jerry Goldsmith used to compose the music. Here’s what Michael Matessino wrote in the booklet from Intrada’s 2 CD ALIEN album:
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Documentation suggests that Alien was shortened by eleven minutes from the version Goldsmith scored. While some entire scenes were cut, trimming mostly consisted of short segments which often resulted in a rhythm or tone inconsistent with what had been composed. In addition to cues that were rescored, most others were dropped, cut or moved to scenes other than those for which they were written…
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Also, we can see in the isolated music track from both the 1999 DVD and the Blu Ray that most of the unedited music cues doesn't fit the scenes that were used in the final cut because these scenes were edited differently than the ones that Goldsmith worked on.

By having the workprint cut restored, Goldsmith’s entire score can be heard in the way he intended—unedited and in the scenes that each cue was scored for. Yes, with that music it would be a different film. So, what? We, as loyal fans of the franchise, would be open to another point of view.

I hope that Michael Matessino is reading this and he is way ahead of me on this idea…
…or, at the very least, this post has now been planted on his mind.

P.S.
While FOX is at it, they can give us the complete production audio track. The incomplete one from the 1999 DVD was not carried-over to the 2003 DVD, or the Blu Ray.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2018 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

Isnt Fox officially being assimilated into Disney starting in 2019?

If so, good luck on your vision for an Alien commemoration.

What will the future of Fox licencing look like???

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2018 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

i have seen -print assembly of the film whch ran welll over 2 hours


the extended version explains a lot of thing - we learn that Kane is an adventures explore - and that parker always have to contruct weapons


BUT it does also show more of the monster AND that does not go well

the alien is a slow walking killer - not fast - does not run - James Cameron introduced the fast alien in his ALIENS


only the clever editing makes Alien a good movie and make it seem like it moves fast


it would prefere having the two versions that exist AND i would also like an extended version that cointains all scenes unique to both cut



BUT don't ask for a longer version of ALIEN - it'll ruin the movie for you

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2018 - 1:19 PM   
 By:   odelayy   (Member)

From what I heard, the UHD of Alien is scheduled for April 2019.


https://bloody-disgusting.com/home-video/3515592/ridley-scotts-alien-looks-headed-4k-ultra-hd-40th-anniversary/

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2018 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

That workprint doesn't exist in a transferable condition.

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2018 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Isnt Fox officially being assimilated into Disney starting in 2019?

If so, good luck on your vision for an Alien commemoration.


Why wouldn't Disney want to take advantage of one of their new assets?

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2018 - 3:54 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

Isnt Fox officially being assimilated into Disney starting in 2019?

If so, good luck on your vision for an Alien commemoration.


Why wouldn't Disney want to take advantage of one of their new assets?


They'll definitely put Alien on UHD. Both cuts were remastered in 4k for the Anthology box and don't need a lot of work.

...what they won't do is give the initial poster what he wants.

...because it doesn't exist anymore.

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2018 - 4:07 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

They'll definitely put Alien on UHD. Both cuts were remastered in 4k for the Anthology box and don't need a lot of work.

...what they won't do is give the initial poster what he wants.

...because it doesn't exist anymore.


Fair enough. But that has nothing to do with who owns it.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2018 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   Shock-Wave   (Member)

i have seen -print assembly of the film whch ran welll over 2 hours


the extended version explains a lot of thing - we learn that Kane is an adventures explore - and that parker always have to contruct weapons


BUT it does also show more of the monster AND that does not go well

the alien is a slow walking killer - not fast - does not run - James Cameron introduced the fast alien in his ALIENS


only the clever editing makes Alien a good movie and make it seem like it moves fast


it would prefere having the two versions that exist AND i would also like an extended version that cointains all scenes unique to both cut



BUT don't ask for a longer version of ALIEN - it'll ruin the movie for you



I saw on YT alternate shots of the alien's attack on Parker. But these scenes only last a few seconds.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2018 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   alexp   (Member)

That workprint doesn't exist in a transferable condition.

Perhaps the color versions of the workprint are gone, but maybe dupes, or duplications, of the workprint in the form of 35mm black and white versions survived. These dupes would be used by key members of the film production crew—sound department, music department, etc. It can be used as a guide to prepare a reconstruction of the workprint using camera negatives or interpositive negatives.

 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2018 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Alien 4K UHD???? Yes, please.

 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2018 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

That workprint doesn't exist in a transferable condition.

Perhaps the color versions of the workprint are gone, but maybe dupes, or duplications, of the workprint in the form of 35mm black and white versions survived. These dupes would be used by key members of the film production crew—sound department, music department, etc. It can be used as a guide to prepare a reconstruction of the workprint using camera negatives or interpositive negatives.


This might be possible, and I certainly would be interested to see such a version (with the Goldsmith score), but I think this would be a lot of (expensive) work, and I just don't see the Alien workprint Goldsmit originally scored as mainstream enough to be in any way marketable. I doubt there is much interest in such a workprint, apart maybe from a few of us nerds here.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2018 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

That workprint doesn't exist in a transferable condition.

Perhaps the color versions of the workprint are gone, but maybe dupes, or duplications, of the workprint in the form of 35mm black and white versions survived. These dupes would be used by key members of the film production crew—sound department, music department, etc. It can be used as a guide to prepare a reconstruction of the workprint using camera negatives or interpositive negatives.


This might be possible, and I certainly would be interested to see such a version (with the Goldsmith score), but I think this would be a lot of (expensive) work, and I just don't see the Alien workprint Goldsmit originally scored as mainstream enough to be in any way marketable. I doubt there is much interest in such a workprint, apart maybe from a few of us nerds here.


They released all—what? five?—versions of Blade Runner back in 2007. Granted this wouldn’t have the same publicity as Ridley releasing his Final Cut, but then Alien is definitely a known property and perhaps they could spin publicity out of the 40th anniversary or the release of a new Alien film (if/when that happens).

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2018 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)




I saw on YT alternate shots of the alien's attack on Parker. But these scenes only last a few seconds.




Shockwind

it's not on youtube


I'll see if i can dig up the link - if it still works - but being a medical doctor student i don't know when i will have the time to look for it

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2018 - 3:08 PM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I think you can forget the workprint, if anything of it still exists it would look like crap, & it was a work in progress, Ridely Scott wouldn't be at all interested in showing it. We have the cinema version & a directors cut, that'll do for me. I'm sure it will be released in UHD early next year, & I'm sure it'll look great...& my god, is it really forty years since I first saw it eek

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2018 - 6:19 PM   
 By:   Geoff_70   (Member)

I'd rather have the theatrical cut without the revised colour timing (especially the golden hues added to Brett chasing the cat in the underbelly of the Nostromo) that was done for the director's cut.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2018 - 6:43 PM   
 By:   alexp   (Member)

Rameau said
I think you can forget the workprint, if anything of it still exists it would look like crap, & it was a work in progress, Ridely Scott wouldn't be at all interested in showing it.

As for the condition of any existing copies of the workprint, I wouldn’t mind any scratches, faded color, or random spots popping-up on it with an audio track to match. That was the way I saw ALIEN in the theaters, anyway. That quality, I feel, fits in with that unkept atmosphere of the Nostromo cargoship. Besides, like I said, a reconstruction of the workprint version can be made out of the camera negative or interpositive negative using the “crappy” versions as a guide.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2018 - 7:11 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

I think you can forget the workprint, if anything of it still exists it would look like crap, & it was a work in progress, Ridely Scott wouldn't be at all interested in showing it.

I wouldn't be so sure. He released the workprint of Blade Runner.

 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2018 - 7:25 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

I think you can forget the workprint, if anything of it still exists it would look like crap, & it was a work in progress, Ridely Scott wouldn't be at all interested in showing it.

I wouldn't be so sure. He released the workprint of Blade Runner.


The so-called "Workprint" of Blade Runner is actually a 70mm test screening print. Not even close to the same thing.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2018 - 7:36 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

I think you can forget the workprint, if anything of it still exists it would look like crap, & it was a work in progress, Ridely Scott wouldn't be at all interested in showing it.

I wouldn't be so sure. He released the workprint of Blade Runner.


The so-called "Workprint" of Blade Runner is actually a 70mm test screening print. Not even close to the same thing.


Is the type of film it's printed on what defines a workprint? It was an unfinished cut of the film with placeholder music—fairly close to the end result, but a work-in-progress nonetheless. And it certainly wasn't Ridley's ideal version of the film.

 
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