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 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Herrmann was alive during Morricone's greatest period. While I doubt Herrmann would have seen films like "Metti, una sera a cena" or "Bird with the Crystal Plumage," he must have seen "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" and maybe others in the Dollars trilogy.

Does anyone know what he thought of his music?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 3:44 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Considering that Herrmann seldom commented positively about the music of any of his colleagues, I would be surprised if he liked Morricone. I do think that Herrmann might have liked a lot more music than he would had ever led you to believe. He might have admired Morricone's unusual instrumentation, but I wouldn't bet on it. Herrmann did like Jerome Moross and I believe he said some positive things about North and Waxman and Rozsa.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 3:45 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Herrmann was alive during Morricone's greatest period. While I doubt Herrmann would have seen films like "Metti, una sera a cena" or "Bird with the Crystal Plumage," he must have seen "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" and maybe others in the Dollars trilogy.

Does anyone know what he thought of his music?



Herrmann wasn’t a cinefile. His interests were more among classical composers.There isn’t that much about what he thought of all the composers he worked with in Hollywood when he was here. Morricone’s exposure in America came slow. His first Oscar nomination for DAYS OF HEAVEN came 3 years after Herrmann died. I really don’t think he was on Herrmann’s radar at all. BTW "His greatest period" had a lot of genre items like westerns, giallos, erotica and gangster which would not get Herrmann's attention even though he found himself working in horror, based on PSYCHO, quite a bit.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

BTW "His greatest period" had a lot of genre items like westerns, giallos, erotica and gangster....

I couldn't tell if you meant Herrmann or Morricone at that point. They both worked in most same genres.

I've also wondered what Hermman might have thought about "Good, Bad and Ugly," assuming he wouldn't have walked out of it.

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Considering that Herrmann seldom commented positively about the music of any of his colleagues, I would be surprised if he liked Morricone. I do think that Herrmann might have liked a lot more music than he would had ever led you to believe. He might have admired Morricone's unusual instrumentation, but I wouldn't bet on it. Herrmann did like Jerome Moross and I believe he said some positive things about North and Waxman and Rozsa.

That’s because he and Moross were school chums and admired each other’s work at an early age. I didn’t know this until I read herrmann’s biography actually.

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 4:15 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

As others have said, I think we simply do not know.

However, he greatly bemoaned the emerging aesthetics of film music in the 1960s, the influence of popular music on film music and the commercial drive for songs and themes.

Although there is no record of his opinions on particular composers, I would imagine his disdain extended to anyone who was breaking the golden age mould with their film music in the 60s—and that would include Morricone.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 4:15 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

[ "His greatest period" had a lot of genre items like westerns, giallos, erotica and gangster which would not get Herrmann's attention.

That is essentially what I wrote in my first post.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 4:16 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

There isn’t that much about what he thought of all the composers he worked with in Hollywood when he was here.

Well, I know what he thought of Goldsmith, Michel Legrand, and a few others.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 5:42 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

As others have said, I think we simply do not know.

However, he greatly bemoaned the emerging aesthetics of film music in the 1960s, the influence of popular music on film music and the commercial drive for songs and themes.

Although there is no record of his opinions on particular composers, I would imagine his disdain extended to anyone who was breaking the golden age mould with their film music in the 60s—and that would include Morricone.

Cheers


I dunno, I can remember some of Herm's later soundtracks had whistling and jazz. I dont think it was golden age music redressed to seem contemporary. And he was often a mold-breaker himself in the golden age.

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 6:57 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Correct.
His music was a pointed reaction against the standard style of his day. He pretty much invented underscoring.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 7:07 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

He pretty much invented underscoring.

I thought that was Max Steiner. Granted, he sometimes overscored instead of underscored. wink

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 7:40 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

He pretty much invented underscoring.

I thought that was Max Steiner. Granted, he sometimes overscored instead of underscored. wink


Just a wee bit.

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 8:08 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

But what does Morricone think of Herrmann?

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 8:11 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

But what does Morricone think of Herrmann?

One would think he is an admirer.
Both are revolutionaries and both expanded the range of orchestration.
brm

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 10:09 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

In an interview quoted in some liner notes, I read that Herrmann really liked Vic Mizzy's work...complimenting Mizzy on his score for Wm Castle's "Night Walker" and his Main Title for "The Addams Family".
Herrmann apparently appreciated quality music that was wildly different from his own approach, so it's possible he could have admired Morricone, but there just seems to be no record of this one way or the other.

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 11:29 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

From everything I've read (and from speaking with somebody who interviewed him), Herrmann was extremely cranky but not predictably so. And he did express admiration for other composers' work, though he appears to have been very inconsistent, even praising and condemning the same work at different times. He was also an early champion of The Beatles, so his tastes weren't exactly ossified.

So who knows what he thought of Morricone? And if he had an opinion, it might well have been all over the map.

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2018 - 1:27 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

From everything I've read (and from speaking with somebody who interviewed him), Herrmann was extremely cranky but not predictably so. And he did express admiration for other composers' work, though he appears to have been very inconsistent, even praising and condemning the same work at different times. He was also an early champion of The Beatles, so his tastes weren't exactly ossified.

Whereas It's unlikely that John Williams is a big fan of Eminem.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2018 - 8:02 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

It's an interesting question to me as when asked who are my favourite film composers I've always said these two, and it's very fan-ish to want to somehow see your two favourite things somehow related at least to some tiny degree. But I too have always felt that Morricone wouldn't be on Herrmann's radar, but vice-versa? More chance there I think.

Most of our preconceptions are obviously founded on Herrmann's well documented grumpy old sod persona!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2018 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Thanks all for the replies.

While I generally understand and agree with much that has been posted here, unless Herrmann was living under a rock, I do find it hard to believe that he did not hear the theme to "The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly." Even if he had not seen the film, the theme was a big hit in the U.S. by Hugo Montenegro in 1968. (It is my understanding that Herrmann was not permanently in England until the early 1970s.) Also, GBU's unique sonic palette influenced not only other spaghetti westerns, but even westerns made outside of Italy. At the very least, Herrmann must have heard Montenegro's version, or a knockoff of one sort or another, even if it was while waiting for his order at a lunch counter. The sound was really a game changer, and I hate the expression "game changer," by the way.

 
 Posted:   Sep 18, 2018 - 6:25 AM   
 By:   Guenther K   (Member)

But what does Morricone think of Herrmann?

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2001/feb/23/culture.features1

 
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