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 Posted:   Oct 12, 2018 - 10:09 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

We all know about the original Varese release of The Cowboys CD with the channels reversed but I was recently listening to John Barry's Ruby Cairo and noticed the high strings on the right! Also noticed the same issue with the Lalo Schifrin suite of unused music from The Exorcist. Anyone know if these are also incorrect.
Are there any other confirmed scores out there were the channels are indeed incorrect?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2018 - 10:15 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

We all know about the original Varese release of The Cowboys CD with the channels reversed but I was recently listening to John Barry's Ruby Cairo and noticed the high strings on the right! Also noticed the same issue with the Lalo Schifrin suite of unused music from The Exorcist. Anyone know if these are also incorrect.
Are there any other confirmed scores out there were the channels are indeed incorrect?


Just swap your speaker cables.

Or pretend that you're in the orchestra. That's even better.

 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2018 - 10:46 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

big grin
What? Crouched under the tuba players seat!
Doesn't really worry me as such. I was just curious if those or other releases were infact swapped.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2018 - 11:51 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

Some of our monophonic releases had the channels reversed. We fixed them on subsequent repressings.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 4:12 AM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

The Braveheart soundtrack had that issue if you purchased the green cover (North American) release, but not the international black cover release.

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 4:36 AM   
 By:   Frank Vincent   (Member)

James Newton Howard's The Fugitive comes to mind.

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 4:50 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

The Great Escape original vinyl release had reversed channels.

If I remember correctly the single vinyl release of Ten Commandments had reversed channels.

The oddest release is Battle of Britain (Ron Goodwin) 19 tracks, two of which (4 and 11) are in mono, and the last track (19) has the channels reversed!
For the entire album (barring the mono tracks) the strings are on the left and the brass is on the right, then you get the last track and the strings blast from the right speaker and the brass from the left.

There was a release of The Good The Bad and The Ugly that I purchased that had reversed channels, but I can't remember which label produced it.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Ruby Cairo was thankfully fixed on the Prometheus re--issue.

The Cowhoys, Braveheart and The Fugitive were fixed on their expansions.

I didn't know The Exorcist was also wrong.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 7:45 AM   
 By:   captain X   (Member)

Is this purist talk? Do reversed channels really change the way the music sounds? What is the difference if strings or other instruments come from either left or right?

Now I have to worry about reversed channels!

razz

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Is this purist talk? Do reversed channels really change the way the music sounds? What is the difference if strings or other instruments come from either left or right?
Now I have to worry about reversed channels!
razz


Well it means you're not listening to an orchestra the way you should. It also means the sound field is horrendously unbalanced.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 8:04 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

What about music that is not orchestral?

If I'm listening to, for example, Dave Brubeck, why do I have to think that the piano should be on one side of the room and the drums on the other?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 8:09 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Ah, you shouldn't have to worry about the piano placement, as long as Brubeck's playing it and Paul Desmond is there.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

As someone who tries to seek out mono LPs, this is never an issue.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   captain X   (Member)

Is this purist talk? Do reversed channels really change the way the music sounds? What is the difference if strings or other instruments come from either left or right?
Now I have to worry about reversed channels!
razz


Well it means you're not listening to an orchestra the way you should. It also means the mix is horrendously unbalanced.


Should should should.

I am left handed. Most of the population is right handed. Should I become right handed? Am I unbalanced? Most probable...

razz

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Would it sound normal in Australia where everything spins counterclockwise?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)


Is this purist talk? Do reversed channels really change the way the music sounds? What is the difference if strings or other instruments come from either left or right?

Now I have to worry about reversed channels!

razz

Well... I have one funny story (it happened 5-6 years ago) about this "reversed channels".
I woke up, it was dark, so I didn't notice that I put RIGHT earphone in my left ear, and LEFT - in right...
I listened From Russia With Love. And 'cause I know this score VERY well, in first 3 min. I found that it sounds almost wrong (or unusual - call it as you want). Only in bus I checked earphones and found my mistake.
So - if you know album well, or if you know how music must sound (higher people describe - strings at left, trumpets - at right), you really can hear that something is wrong )))

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   Dadid L   (Member)


Well it means you're not listening to an orchestra the way you should.


Not necessarily. Many orchestras play half of the violins on the right, for example, and the contrabasses on the left. The arrangement violins left / violas center / cellos & basses right is far from universal. But it's true that channel inversions bother me, too... a matter of psycho-accoustics, I suppose.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Is this about parts of the music being swapped between channels, or entire L and R channels being swapped? If the latter, just turn around 180 degrees and it will be "normal."

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

It also means the mix is horrendously unbalanced.

Inverted channels don't interfere with the mix.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2018 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Not necessarily. Many orchestras play half of the violins on the right, for example, and the contrabasses on the left. The arrangement violins left / violas center / cellos & basses right is far from universal. But it's true that channel inversions bother me, too... a matter of psycho-accoustics, I suppose.

Yes. The cramped confines of the opera pit demand unconventional seating where a large orchestra is required. Some Bayreuth recordings sound unusual for that reason.

 
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