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 Posted:   Oct 15, 2018 - 6:24 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

Which is your favorite? I like APOLLO 13, but THE RIGHT STUFF is one of my all time favorite films. I haven't seen FIRST MAN yet, but I sure will. What about you guys?

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2018 - 8:32 PM   
 By:   Viscount Bark   (Member)

I haven't seen FIRST MAN yet either, but it's hard to imagine it bettering THE RIGHT STUFF which is my top American movie of the 1980s.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2018 - 8:56 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

I loved APOLLO 13 and Hanks was okay, but always thought Kevin Costner would have made a great Jim Lovell. (He looked just like the guy). Found THE RIGHT STUFF kind of boring when I first saw it on it's release. I should give it another look now. As far as FIRST MAN, I find Ryan Gosling as an actor, not very appealing.

Horner's APOLLO 13 is an Awesome score that fit the film perfectly and Conti's THE RIGHT STUFF was good but Goldsmith deserved the BEST SCORE Oscar that year for UNDER FIRE. Just my opinions and thoughts of course.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2018 - 10:17 PM   
 By:   dragon53   (Member)

I haven't seen FIRST MAN.
Some of the silliness in THE RIGHT STUFF really detracts from the movie. I've read that many associated with the space program hated the movie.
I like APOLLO 13 a lot.

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2018 - 10:34 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The Right Stuff was slow in parts and had a few WTF moments but overall I love the film. It took a second viewing for me to really embrace Apollo 13. Both are in my collection and I enjoy them equally. I suspect I won't like First Man from everything I'm reading. It basically has all the modern day trappings I detest in today's films.

 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2018 - 8:05 PM   
 By:   TominAtl   (Member)

The First Man is about as no nonsense and visceral a film about the first moon landing can be. If you can see it in either IMAX or AMC's new DOLBY cinema, do so. The film humanizes Neil Armstrong, who all along is seemingly haunted by death, which seems to be all around him. It does not put him on a pedestal but makes him one hell of a man. The First Man will go toe to toe in the best picture category against "A Star is Born".

I enjoyed the The Right Stuff, but it had a light, jokey air to it, just a tad too much so IMHO. Apollo 13 is to me Ron Howard's best film of his career and it show cased again Tom Hanks acting ability during his string of hot years in the 90's.

In terms of realism, The First Man comes out on top. In terms of being a great film, it's a toss up between The First Man and Apollo 13.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2018 - 8:53 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Apollo 13 is a fine film, Howard's best, and with every replay it feels like new every time. Tremendously effective.

The Right Stuff is one of my all time favorite films, a hugely entertaining epic.

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2018 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

If anyone here has read Tom Wolfe's book, The Right Stuff, they'd know that the jokey tone belonged in the film.

What was that documentary series? "From the Earth to the Moon." Was that any good?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2018 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   dragon53   (Member)

JIM PHELPS:

I read the book, but the comedy in the movie was over done.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2018 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

The First Man will go toe to toe in the best picture category against "A Star is Born".


I figured that with its made-for-IMAX scenes, FIRST MAN would play in my local multiplex's premium house...and that's where it opened last Friday. But after the weekend, because of what I assume was less than stellar attendance, it was pulled and replaced with A STAR IS BORN.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2018 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   dragon53   (Member)

BOB DiMUCCI:

I've heard FIRST MAN is bombing at the box office.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2018 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

BOB DiMUCCI:

I've heard FIRST MAN is bombing at the box office.



According to Variety:

"Ryan Gosling’s “First Man” launched in third place at the low end of expectations with $16.5 million at 3,640 sites...“First Man” audiences gave the film a B+ CinemaScore. Universal’s distribution president Jim Orr said that the “First Man” results were not disappointing, given that the core audience is an older demographic.

“As we’ve seen in this release corridor, quality films like ‘First Man’ — Certified Fresh at 88% on Rotten Tomatoes — have strong playability and will have tremendous legs at the box office,” he said. “This weekend’s results are a just a starting point. Quality adult dramas released in this time period produce very healthy multiples. This is very much a marathon, not a sprint.”


That "older demographic" may be influenced by some attacks on the film by conservatives, who believe that the film does not (literally) wave the flag enough. They argue that the American flags on the astronauts' suits are purposely obscured, that the raising of the flag on the moon is shown only in long-shot so that the flag can't be made out, and that the patriotic aspects of the whole moon endeavor are de-emphasized. Presumably, this was done so as not to offend foreign audiences. Instead, attention is put on anti-NASA, anti-establishment protests--everything from a song by Gil Scott-Heron which contrasts ghetto poverty with the refrain "and Whitey's on the moon" to a La Raza protest of the landing (two years before La Raza even existed). Add to that the portrayal of Armstrong as a dour, gloomy man, who perhaps harbors a death fetish, and this may not be the way that those who were actually alive to witness the moon landing want to remember that event.

I should add that I haven't seen the film, I'm just reporting what some critics are saying.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2018 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

It may or may not be difficult to judge "The Right Stuff" if you've only seen it on the confines of a home theater system -- even on a very good large screen. Back in the day I was there on opening night in NYC -- and the thunderous sound mix and epic design of the film was truly overpowering. The audiences (I saw it three times that weekend) all loved it. It was a wonderful "movie" experience to share with an audience. I tried watching it at home not long ago -- and it just wasn't the same. The vistas seemed cramped -- the walls of my apartment weren't shaking and threatening to self destruct with shattering bass -- and the close ups simply didn't "land." The jokes also seemed jokier -- less balanced by the grand, epic tone of the film when seen in large format projection, super-duper sound.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 7:51 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

From all accounts Neil Armstrong wasn't this cold, soulless, empty shell mope head. He smiled and joked on missions. We're still in a period of film making where anything morbid and depressing are considered adult or important. We relish in our own misery.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Which is the odd man out?

I remember when films shown on TV would be heralded with the vocal notification of, "which was made in black and white," if the film was not in color. This was done, presumably, to stop viewers ringing up to complain, or to stop them fiddling unnecessarily with the color control. The Right Stuff and Apollo 13 were made in genuine, vibrant celluloid, but if all these 'films' are heretofore shown on TV, no such undertaking in making the distinction is ever given. Nor is it ever likely to be. Imagine it - "Gee folks, this film was a real bona fide film! Can't you tell the difference, dummies?"

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

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 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

By omission, are you saying SPACE COWBOYS wasnt real? Devane was great in that. Who else could inspire a bunch of astronauts to say "What an asshole"?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

According to Variety:
That "older demographic" may be influenced by some attacks on the film by conservatives, who believe that the film does not (literally) wave the flag enough.


But the conspiracy folks probably think it honors the flag precisely because it's left out...since the landing was a hoax. Maybe those two groups will square off outside a movie theater somewhere.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 6:34 PM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

It may or may not be difficult to judge "The Right Stuff" if you've only seen it on the confines of a home theater system -- even on a very good large screen. Back in the day I was there on opening night in NYC -- and the thunderous sound mix and epic design of the film was truly overpowering. The audiences (I saw it three times that weekend) all loved it. It was a wonderful "movie" experience to share with an audience. I tried watching it at home not long ago -- and it just wasn't the same. The vistas seemed cramped -- the walls of my apartment weren't shaking and threatening to self destruct with shattering bass -- and the close ups simply didn't "land." The jokes also seemed jokier -- less balanced by the grand, epic tone of the film when seen in large format projection, super-duper sound.

One of my favorite scenes in TRS still remains the one where Goldblum and Shearer are seasick, and they're trying to talk... I lose it every time(No... not my lunch!)big grinbig grin

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 6:54 PM   
 By:   dogplant   (Member)

From all accounts....

No, not all. Here's James Hansen – author of the biography about Neil Armstrong that the film is based upon – commenting on the filmmakers' interpretation, and his personal experiences with Neil:

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/first-man-writer-tells-what-neil-armstrong-was-real-life-ncna919741

Hansen's book is around 800 pages long, and it is a dense and studious account of a very private man. I was gratified to read Hansen's appraisal of the film, cutting through the media white noise, and I loved his closing comment, which echoes my own feelings: 'there are times when the power of poetry prevails over the uncertainty of fact.'

To return to the topic of the thread, 'The Right Stuff, Apollo 13 or First Man?' – my answer would be, 'Oh, yes, please!'

 
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