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 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   jwb79   (Member)

I'm really sick of these stream companies. You continually pay for something which you will never own and they can take it away at any time.

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/news/spotify-is-reinventing-the-soundtrack-2435081/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-new-movie-soundtrack-a-spotify-playlist-1539691320?mod=pls_whats_news_us_business_f

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

Might be geared more for song soundtracks seeing as they mention they already “owned” the songs. One can hope anyways.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 7:16 AM   
 By:   jwb79   (Member)

Might be geared more for song soundtracks seeing as they mention they already “owned” the songs. One can hope anyways.

Yes, I agree but in time they will probably head that direction with film scores too.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 7:26 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

This has been the long term goal of big corp for some time now. Make the consumer continually pay for the product or service. It's happening with music, movies, software, what ever they can get away with. I think it's a rip off we have to pay for cable and still watch all the same damn commercials back when television was "free". (minus a few exceptions like HBO)

My cable company recently "pulled" the plug on basic cable. You can't just run a line to your TV anymore. You HAVE to pay for HD service and rent a cable box which is a lot more than what was basic cable. I think it's a bad business model over all because it's going to lead to the haves and have nots for something as simple as basic entertainment.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

Let me be the first who say: "I don't care, No CD = No sale".

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Supposedly, EMI/Universal places a digital watermark on their streaming catalog, which degrades the quality.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Might be geared more for song soundtracks seeing as they mention they already “owned” the songs. One can hope anyways.

Yes, I agree but in time they will probably head that direction with film scores too.


No. There would be no benefit to them. Read what the article is saying.

The premise here is very clear, and represents a bit of a loophole in music licensing:

If a movie uses existing songs and a studio makes an album (even a streaming-only album) using those songs, each one has to be licensed and paid for for that use.

However, if instead of making an album, the studio makes a playlist of those songs, culled from albums already on that streaming service, no new deals have to be struck, no new money changes hands.

The functional distinction between an album and a playlist is non-existent. There is no unified cover art, and that's pretty much it.

This is obviously completely irrelevant to any film soundtrack with original content (score or songs). It only works because the songs already exist on the service.

So whatever your objections to streaming are, the idea that this could somehow be applied to film scores is not one of them. That is impossible. It's just not what they're doing.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   Drawgoon   (Member)

There is also this rumor going around tech message boards that Apple is gearing up to gradually discontinue its music distribution store in favor of its streaming service.

Doesn't surprise me given how profitable that business has been lately.

It is something even players in the other areas of tech industry are working towards. Don't be surprised if in a decade's time you'll find yourself streaming your operating system, apps or particularly video games. Several big players in the field are already working towards that goal very seriously.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 8:55 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

There is also this rumor going around tech message boards that Apple is gearing up to gradually discontinue its music distribution store in favor of its streaming service.

Doesn't surprise me given how profitable that business has been lately.

It is something even players in the other areas of tech industry are working towards. Don't be surprised if in a decade's time you'll find yourself streaming your operating system, apps or particularly video games. Several big players in the field are already working towards that goal very seriously.


Yep! But it's a big mistake. Other than a few fortunate souls, most people can't afford to pay an additional on going monthly fee for all this stuff.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 8:58 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

There is also this rumor going around tech message boards that Apple is gearing up to gradually discontinue its music distribution store in favor of its streaming service.

They are also sending their goon squads door-to-door to confiscate our LPs and CDs! And 8-tracks!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Can't be all bad. You know, Moses came down a stream.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   panavision   (Member)

I actually like streaming, I can listen to much more music because I don't have take a chance on something which I might not like.

As for film scores, that niche market is best served by putting it on CD and vinyl for now.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

This has been the long term goal of big corp for some time now. Make the consumer continually pay for the product or service.




I thought that was the aim of our labels too, selling the same title again and again to the same people. They sell a limited number, then sell a "remastered" version of it five years later, then add "bonus tracks" five years after that, then, in another five years from now, will sell us a better, hi-res version.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

This is obviously completely irrelevant to any film soundtrack with original content (score or songs). It only works because the songs already exist on the service.

So whatever your objections to streaming are, the idea that this could somehow be applied to film scores is not one of them. That is impossible. It's just not what they're doing.


Schiffy's got it as usual. This is clearly aimed at existing content on the site, so pop songs. Until and unless future deals are struck allowing streaming services to use film scores in the same way.

I'm uncertain about it being a loophole however. This could be considered a questionable practice if streaming services are limited in how they can use an artist's material on playlists, but I don't know that they are. If they are not, they are free to use that artist's content in any playlist they wish and are only obligated to pay the artist what they already are.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

This has been the long term goal of big corp for some time now. Make the consumer continually pay for the product or service.




I thought that was the aim of our labels too, selling the same title again and again to the same people. They sell a limited number, then sell a "remastered" version of it five years later, then add "bonus tracks" five years after that, then, in another five years from now, will sell us a better, hi-res version.


I don't see the comparison. You can listen to your CD in perp after a one time fee. Reissues come about for various reasons, lost masters found, better masters found, new deals reached with studios that allow for expansions. You can just stick with a previous issue, no one forces anyone to purchase an "upgrade" to hear what they already own. If the studios switched to streaming only then you have to pay a monthly fee or have no access to the music at all. I'll add its a double whammy, because not only do you have to pay for the streaming service you have to pay for a data plan or internet so you can listen to your music.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

Let me be the first who say: "I don't care, No CD = No sale".



I AGREE!

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

I pay a subscription for Spotify and it is well worth it. Then I buy the music I want to have long term either in CD format or FLAC downloads. Spotify helps me sift through the stuff that isn't very good. I listen to it a few times and decide it isn't worth keeping and move on.

This sounds like rather than selling you an album of songs (like Guardians of the Galaxy) they create a playlist and make those songs free to listen. Makes sense to me. It must be a pain trying to license all those songs for the album.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

So this would be how they would do Forrest Gump or From the Earth to the Moon now. (Minus the Silvestri track and the Kamen track.)

OTOH they couldn't do Back to the Future or Top Gun like this.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 2:44 PM   
 By:   BryonDavis   (Member)

I'm really sick of these stream companies. You continually pay for something which you will never own and they can take it away at any time.

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/news/spotify-is-reinventing-the-soundtrack-2435081/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-new-movie-soundtrack-a-spotify-playlist-1539691320?mod=pls_whats_news_us_business_f


You can get sick of them but unfortunately they provide a service many people support. People are not buying physical product like they used to.

I can say with certainty that the majority of newer film scores are selling less than 500 units. It gets harder and harder to justify a physical release unfortunately.

Not going after your stance, just laying out the facts. I am not a fan of streaming only options either, but it's the way things are going, sadly.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2018 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   BryonDavis   (Member)

So this would be how they would do Forrest Gump or From the Earth to the Moon now. (Minus the Silvestri track and the Kamen track.)

OTOH they couldn't do Back to the Future or Top Gun like this.


I don't know about that. Some films that have a buzz or built in fanbase will still see a physical release.

 
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