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 Posted:   Oct 27, 2018 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

So new owners AT&T are axing "niche" markets. This makes me wonder if TCM might be next on the chopping block.


https://www.vox.com/culture/2016/10/19/13314670/tcm-turner-classic-movies-film

Interesting article from 2016 about how TCM was (then) being looked at as the savior of classic movie fare. The article offers three ways in which people become classic film buffs:

1. Introduced to classic films by an older family member or friend.
2. Start out loving contemporary films and want to further explore their historical roots.
3. Accidentally become an old film buff just by watching such films on television or renting them on video.

I took path No. 3, which is the one the article says is disappearing. Other than TCM, classic films never appear on broadcast or cable TV, and Netflix, Hulu and other streaming services (which have replaced video stores) have limited numbers of classic films in their catalogs.

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2018 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

A nicely-reasoned article about this.

https://amp.slate.com/culture/2018/10/filmstruck-closing-criterion-tcm.html

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2018 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

A nicely-reasoned article about this.

https://amp.slate.com/culture/2018/10/filmstruck-closing-criterion-tcm.html



Such are the times we live in that an article about the shutting down of a little-known film streaming service feels compelled to take a shot at Donald Trump in its first paragraph. There's just nowhere to hide.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2018 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

And another:

https://www.wired.com/story/rip-filmstruck-streaming-wars/?curator=MediaREDEF&fbclid=IwAR0OHEZBtcLFqFHAVJkuanGmxNCDc1jNNBRueA-iFT2F7ZS3BIlfXaDgebI

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2018 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Luckily this bad news has absolutely nothing to do with soundtrack music.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2018 - 8:20 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

A nicely-reasoned article about this.

https://amp.slate.com/culture/2018/10/filmstruck-closing-criterion-tcm.html



Such are the times we live in that an article about the shutting down of a little-known film streaming service feels compelled to take a shot at Donald Trump in its first paragraph. There's just nowhere to hide.


Yet you felt completed enough to bring up an unrelated comment about a banned subject onto this board.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2018 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Luckily this bad news has absolutely nothing to do with soundtrack music.

Except that Filmstruck afforded access to hundreds of films with soundtrack music that could not be heard anywhere else!

As an aside, I'll insert a reference to a popular topic that has marginal relevance here. People are always curious about film scores that reference the Dies Irae chant. I always like to ask: What movie contains the longest sustained use of the Dies Irae (both text and music)? Hint: Find it via Filmstruck.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2018 - 11:40 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

A petition has begun to save FilmStruck.

https://www.change.org/p/warnermedia-keep-filmstruck-alive

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2018 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

While I admire FilmStruck, I never understand what a petition is supposed to do for a business like this. How can they be telling AT&T they're not a niche market when AT&T knows exactly how many paying subscribers they had?

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2018 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Never heard of it.

I know the feeling.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2018 - 12:02 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Let's face it. Massive media companies don't think of themselves as museums, dedicated to keeping past cultures alive. If they can turn a (big) buck on old assets, that's fine, but in terms of profit per hour expended, running a curated old movie service doesn't rank up there with getting this year's A STAR IS BORN ready for 4K streaming.

Oh, they will periodically put some of their old titles on display in whatever streaming platform they're offering, and maybe rotate the offerings over time. But to expect them to keep all these old films instantly available at all times is asking a bit much. Even the Smithsonian Institution has only 2% of its holdings on display at any given time, and frankly, some items will never see the light of day.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2018 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

While I admire FilmStruck, I never understand what a petition is supposed to do for a business like this. How can they be telling AT&T they're not a niche market when AT&T knows exactly how many paying subscribers they had?

Petitions can at least reinforce the existence of a potential niche market.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2018 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Petitions can at least reinforce the existence of a potential niche market.

Respectfully, a potential market is meaningless if the product exists and those potential buyers aren't buying.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2018 - 4:19 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Luckily this bad news has absolutely nothing to do with soundtrack music.

Except that Filmstruck afforded access to hundreds of films with soundtrack music that could not be heard anywhere else!


Maybe if we all make more long distance calls, AT&T will make a few soundtrack fans happy by reinstating the Filmstruck movie streaming site.

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2018 - 1:45 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Good article about the closure and why physical media is important. The dynamics are exactly the same for music.

http://screencrush.com/rip-filmstruck/?fbclid=IwAR194wM4GCyfTSosaX9ApvlU3A2kO5pd985p_SDmGFcOx_Br2X6D4b4MDsk

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2018 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Good article about the closure and why physical media is important. The dynamics are exactly the same for music.

It's the horseless carriage all over again. I still havent recovered from that one. frown

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 16, 2018 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

Good News!

The Criterion Collection is going to launch an independent service this spring!!

https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/6044-new-independent-criterion-channel-to-launch-spring-2019

"We are incredibly touched and encouraged by the flood of support we’ve been receiving since the announcement that FilmStruck will be shutting down on November 29, 2018. Our thanks go out to everyone who signed petitions, wrote letters and newspaper articles, and raised your voices to let the world know how much our mission and these movies matter to you.

Well, if you loved the curated programming we’ve been doing with our friends at FilmStruck, we have good news for you. The Criterion Collection team is going to be carrying on with that mission, launching the Criterion Channel as a freestanding service in spring 2019."

 
 Posted:   Nov 16, 2018 - 2:50 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Excellent news!

 
 Posted:   Nov 16, 2018 - 3:46 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

I was hoping for this - excellent news! Maybe the subject line could be updated?

EDIT: Um, Matt already said "excellent news" - apparently he was right! embarrassment

 
 Posted:   Nov 16, 2018 - 5:34 PM   
 By:   Zoragoth   (Member)

Good article about the closure and why physical media is important. The dynamics are exactly the same for music.

http://screencrush.com/rip-filmstruck/?fbclid=IwAR194wM4GCyfTSosaX9ApvlU3A2kO5pd985p_SDmGFcOx_Br2X6D4b4MDsk


Let's hear it for physical media! It may overrun the house, but as the article states, no one can yank it away. When I streamed Netflix, I recall several occasions of watching half of a film one night only to discover when I went back to see the rest on the following night it had been dropped from the service.

 
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