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 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

John Williams, the elusive, unapproachable and, (probably), most esteemed of living film composers has been, and always will be, too busy to actually care about an old cd release of his. However, I wonder if he's even aware that his long, long, sought-after score with all the missing pieces has been found, re-assembled and is due for release sometime this week of the 5th of November? I wonder if Varese went to him for his thoughts on any of this? I also wonder what he originally thought of, (or thinks now), of this score?

 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 9:47 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

"It sucks. "
- John.Tower Williams

 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Williams has input on and signs off on these releases.

He has also kiboshed releases of some scores of his that he doesn't want issued for whatever reason.

 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 9:49 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

John Williams, the elusive, unapproachable and, (probably), most esteemed of living film composers has been, and always will be, too busy to actually care about an old cd release of his. However, I wonder if he's even aware that his long, long, sought-after score with all the missing pieces has been found, re-assembled and is due for release sometime this week of the 5th of November? I wonder if Varese went to him for his thoughts on any of this? I also wonder what he originally thought of, (or thinks now), of this score?

First, You could have continued in the same breadth of the Varese Dracual thread smile. Secondly, from what I know that it was Williams who requested Mike Matessino to go and look for and un-earth Dracula from his crypt in the Universal archives. The search led him back to Varese where the 1/2 inch stereo stereo tapes were lying right under their nose and right into the mis labeled mono tapes box. The rest is legend...

Oh and yes, Everything gets approved by Williams in the end. His management even requested that something special be done with this release's packaging notes etc.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   El Aurence   (Member)

Williams has input on and signs off on these releases.

He has also kiboshed releases of some scores of his that he doesn't want issued for whatever reason.


Dear Mr. Shiffy M!

You are one of the living legends on this board.

Nevertheless: Where do you have this information from?

 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 10:53 AM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

What Amer said. Although it was 1/4" tapes at Varese and 35mm 4-track mag at the studio. This was one where JW specifically asked if the material could be found and improved.

 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Happy story with a happy ending.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

According to the liner notes on the 1979 MCA LP, John Williams had never seen a vampire movie until he was asked to score John Badham's version.

Seems to me that, between the 1940s and 1979, John Williams thought very little or nothing about the entire vampire/Dracula mythos.

Just imagine: this man never saw a Hammer horror film from the late-'50s or any at all throughout the '60s and into the '70s.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

I think Williams will be very-happy knowing Drac is now in full-glory - barring the Fury which isn't real horror, supernatural, this was JW only real horror. i thought it wasn't possible still amazed goes to show just how passionate Williams & Varese were!

 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 12:02 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

Sometimes enjoy eating the hot dog and ignore how it's made.

MV

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Sometimes enjoy eating the hot dog and ignore how it's made.

MV


Doesn't Ford A. Thaxton say the same thing?

 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

Sometimes enjoy eating the hot dog and ignore how it's made.

MV


Doesn't Ford A. Thaxton say the same thing?


Doesn't mean its wrong. Sometimes you guys overanalyze so much you lose sight of why you love this stuff in the first place.

MV

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

I have been overanalyzing everything since age 12. smile

Analyzing the TV shows and the films (which I loved to watch) is how I first got into descriptive incidental music!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   CitizenJoe   (Member)

Sometimes enjoy eating the hot dog and ignore how it's made.

MV


Doesn't Ford A. Thaxton say the same thing?


Doesn't mean its wrong. Sometimes you guys overanalyze so much you lose sight of why you love this stuff in the first place.

MV


But there's nothing else for us to do MV! None of us will even have this CD for several more days.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I think Williams will be very-happy knowing Drac is now in full-glory - barring the Fury which isn't real horror, supernatural, this was JW only real horror. i thought it wasn't possible still amazed goes to show just how passionate Williams & Varese were!

Actually, there's not a lot of horror in the 1979 DRACULA. It's more a straight-up gothic romance.

There's far more 'horror' in Williams-scored films like IMAGES or WAR OF THE WORLDS. Or individual scenes, like the Barry abduction from CE3K.

But Williams is no doubt fond of the score. Otherwise, he wouldn't have performed it in concerts (like last week's LSO concert, albeit in his absence) or asked Matessino & co. to try and dig out a better-sounding version of the album.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

I think Williams will be very-happy knowing Drac is now in full-glory - barring the Fury which isn't real horror, supernatural, this was JW only real horror. i thought it wasn't possible still amazed goes to show just how passionate Williams & Varese were!

Actually, there's not a lot of horror in the 1979 DRACULA. It's more a straight-up gothic romance.

There's far more 'horror' in Williams-scored films like IMAGES or WAR OF THE WORLDS. Or individual scenes, like the Barry abduction from CE3K.


i know your knowledge about Williams being a fanatic, but what you say or class is not horror under there titles just mild references at the very least, Drac is 100% horror Thor, capiche.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 1:09 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Have you seen the film?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Have you seen the film?

Of course, still it doesn't matter what peoples opinions are, Drac is unique he's not classed as sociable in history only for blood, ok its social drama.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 2:31 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Have you seen the film?

Next time you meet JW do ask him what he'd title the movie/score as, WOTW - CEOTTK, The Fury Etc.. don't count only partial, wherever 2 or 2222 kills it doesn't matter Drac is only known as horror.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2018 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Of course, still it doesn't matter what peoples opinions are, Drac is unique he's not classed as sociable in history only for blood, ok its social drama.

That it's a Dracula film is really irrelevant. You have to ask HOW the Dracula story is staged. Badham's version is very much a dark, gothic romance, and not really a traditional horror film. You should know that if you've seen it. It's relatively free of 'scary' sequences, instead using the general gothic look and setting as a backdrop. Much like Coppola did 13 years later with his version (although that is considerably darker and better, of course).

If 'horror' is to be understood as having a scary element, you'll find more overt examples in other Williams-scored films like IMAGES, WAR OF THE WORLDS or CLOSE ENCOUNTERS (even if none of them can be classified as horror movies as such).

The fact is that Williams has never really scored a typical horror film in his entire career. Only 'horror' elements within other types of film.

 
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