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 Posted:   Nov 17, 2018 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

Someone in the other thread, (nerfTractor), complained that there was no separate thread for 'listening impressions' after hearing the new 'Dracula' that wouldn't be mixed-in with complaints of shipping and booklet anomolies etc. Well, here you go. I just finished listening to this, but will withold my impressions to see if they...evolve over a day or so.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2018 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I think its a serviceable score. Nothing on the order of Jaws, SW, CEOT3K, Superman, Empire, E.T. Raiders, etc. But maybe it didn't need to be in the same league as those.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2018 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   Luc Van der Eeken   (Member)

It IS in the same league...

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2018 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

As I said on the other thread -- in terms of sound quality, disc 1 is certainly superior to the OST CD. The restored OST on disc 2, however, is only marginally better in my ears. Shame it wasn't the other way around, but you gotta work with what you have.

The content on disc 1 has no real musical value to me, and I think the C&C robs the music of some of its inherent flow. I had hoped the restoration of disc 2/the OST was even more impressive, in which case I would have considered purchasing the physical disc. As it happens, I'm content with my old Varese release as the representative in my physical collection, and I've replaced the digital iTunes version with the new, remastered one (even if I never had the issue with the OST sound quality that apparently everyone else had). So there's that.

The score is wonderful, of course. Lush, dark romance 13 years before Wojciech Kilar nurtured a similar approach in the Coppola film (although a completely different tonal language, of course), smack in the middle of Williams' Golden Age of film music.

Thanks for posting a thread that is not only about shipping issues and whatnot.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2018 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   Ed   (Member)

In no particular order:

Mike Matessino and the Varese team deserve massive applause for bringing Dracula to light.

Dracula has frequently been described as the dark side of Williams' Jane Eyre score and they share many common elements along them the English musical influence, a broadly Romantic tone as well as a romantic (small r) main theme, and a feverish scherzo.

Now that we have the full score to appreciate it seems Dracula has at least as much in common with Close Encounters: a rhythmic secondary theme, more experimental orchestrations and the use of a small choir.

The film mixes drop the voices in Night Journeys but add them to The Capture Of Lucy. We also can hear the electric organ more distinctly in Dracula's Death. If it is present in the album mixes at all it's buried deep and it's a welcome addition to the orchestra in the final moments of the score. Of course the organ now appears in Grave Trampling and To Scarborough in what appears likely was a post production overlay.

The wow finish of To Scarborough now has all the punch and snap of Star Wars' Here They Come.

The swooping, eastern-tinged Dracula theme itself is striking in William's work and reminds me of The Call motif from E.T. Williams himself seems to enjoy it and it's been recorded several times and performed under his direction with the Boston Pops.

After owning the pop-ridden MCA lp and the rather poor sounding initial cd release I'm overjoyed to have this score brought up to the standard of Williams' other London scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2018 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

For me its among STAR WARS ..INDIANA..JAWS..SUPERMAN..JAWS..CLOSE ENCOUNTERS...ET...AND YES HOOK.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2018 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   kaseykockroach   (Member)

It's good, but The Fury's way better. Much more interesting theme, much more precise writing, structure and flow...but Dracula's still a fun listen and nice little companion to the latter score, as far as Williams displaying his horror chops go.
It's middle-shelf Williams for sure. A good B-score if you will.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2018 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Robert Cobert's music is fairly consistent. I would say that "Dracula" is not as good as his "Dark Shadows" music, but it was well worth it.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2018 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   Adam B.   (Member)

I don't believe it ranks up there with his spectacular scores from his blockbuster 1975-1984 decade but it is certainly good. I'll grade them like this...

Jaws.....A
Black Sunday.....A-
Star Wars.....A+
CE3K.....A
The Fury.....C+
Jaws 2.....A-
Superman.....A+
Dracula.....B-
1941.....C+
Empire.....A+
Raiders.....A+
ET.....A
Jedi.....A-
Temple of Doom.....A

Yes, I am aware he scored other films in this decade (Missouri Breaks, Midway, Heartbeeps, Monsignor, The River, any others?) but I haven't heard those scores so I cannot grade them.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2018 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


Jaws.....A+
Black Sunday.....?
Star Wars.....A+
CE3K.....A+
The Fury.....C
Jaws 2....C-
Superman.....A+
Dracula.....B-
1941.....A+
Empire.....A+
Raiders.....A+
ET.....A+
Jedi.....C
Temple of Doom.....D-

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2018 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   Adam B.   (Member)

Like Matthew Broderick's character from Wargames, Solium changes my grades via computer. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2018 - 2:31 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Like Matthew Broderick's character from Wargames, Solium changes my grades via computer. smile

I think your original grade list was more accurate... wink

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2018 - 7:03 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

There's a moment in the main title for this 1950 soundtrack that reminds me of Drac's Main Title...

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2018 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Like Matthew Broderick's character from Wargames, Solium changes my grades via computer. smile

big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2018 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

It's a very nice score, and I'm glad it became available for all of us to purchase it. That being said, there's something about all of this extra music (on disc one). To paraphrase a couple of words that Thor used in his comments near the beginning of this thread, '..the music doesn't flow, at least for me. I'm very glad all the extra music has been found and restored, but, the more satisfying listening experience (again, at least for me), is the music on disc two, which is the album presentation.




 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2018 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

I don't have the new DRACULA soundtrack, so maybe I shouldn't be posting here. Still, I do recall that I saw it on the big screen with my parents when on holiday. I think it was its British premiere - but I also thought that about ALIEN. Did they premiere in London the same week? I bought the soundtrack LP (and the one for ALIEN) from a man in the foyer. He had all the LPs stacked together among the KiaOras and KP Nuts in a cardboard box.

I haven't heard that LP for decades, but I remember it almost note for note. Without having formed any critical distancing abilities, I loved it because it was John Williams and for a Dracula film. Thinking back now, I don't know if it's a score I desperately want to purchase today. But I will happily accept a free copy.

Last Child's YT clip from... what was that film... is by the brilliant Leith Stevens. It DOES sound a bit like Williams' DRACULA. And when you consider that both Stevens and Williams wrote music for cinema adaptations of WAR OF THE WORLDS, well, I think you've got to take that as proof of the existence of aliens.

Right you lot, get back on topic.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2018 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

I don't have the new DRACULA soundtrack, so maybe I shouldn't be posting here. Still, I do recall that I saw it on the big screen with my parents when on holiday. I think it was its British premiere - but I also thought that about ALIEN. Did they premiere in London the same week? I bought the soundtrack LP (and the one for ALIEN) from a man in the foyer. He had all the LPs stacked together among the KiaOras and KP Nuts in a cardboard box.

I haven't heard that LP for decades, but I remember it almost note for note. Without having formed any critical distancing abilities, I loved it because it was John Williams and for a Dracula film. Thinking back now, I don't know if it's a score I desperately want to purchase today. But I will happily accept a free copy.

Last Child's YT clip from... what was that film... is by the brilliant Leith Stevens. It DOES sound a bit like Williams' DRACULA. And when you consider that both Stevens and Williams wrote music for cinema adaptations of WAR OF THE WORLDS, well, I think you've got to take that as proof of the existence of aliens.

Right you lot, get back on topic.


GrahamWatt: You live in Galicia? My Grandfather, on my Father's Side, came from San Sebastian which is just a little bit east of you. I've never been to Galicia, though I've been (almost) all over Spain. You put me up for next summer in a room with a terrace overlooking the sea, and I'll bring you the free disc!wink

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2018 - 9:02 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Hey Montana! Yeah man, I live in Galicia. San Sebastian "looks" quite near when seen on a globe of the world, but it's actually several hundred miles along the road. And I'm about 80 miles from the coast. But I could rent you an apartment on the coast if you want. I don't want to sound ungrateful, but it seems like a heck of a lot of bother for both of us, just for me to get the Johnny W soundtrack. Much easier just to splash out the 70 euros. But that's quite a lot of beer money.

What has all this to do with the music of DRACULA? Nothing. But Bram Stoker did write that Dracula docked at Whitby becuase it was "so close to London". Well, maybe on his old Transylvanian globe of the world. Then he arrived and thought, "Blimey, it's actually a bit of a hike".

Could you people get this thing back on track? I tried once with talk of LPs, KiaOra and KP Nuts. Come to think of it, I never liked the packaging on those KP Nuts. But what music they made!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2018 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

I bought the LP when the film was released (can it be almost 40 years ago?) and, as many have stated earlier, the sonics and the pressing were not good. Hearing these discs has been revelatory in that there is so much orchestral detail that didn't come through on the LP. I tend to prefer the actual film tracks (CD1) because they have an immediacy that comes through when music is conducted to the images on the screen.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2018 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Last Child's YT clip from... what was that film... is by the brilliant Leith Stevens. It DOES sound a bit like Williams' DRACULA. And when you consider that both Stevens and Williams wrote music for cinema adaptations of WAR OF THE WORLDS, well, I think you've got to take that as proof of the existence of aliens.

Right you lot, get back on topic.


Graham, I appreciate you taking the time to play and even mention the music clip (as usually noone does). I happened to be editing the acetates for the Leith Stevens soundtrack, and the short segment stands out because it doesn't sound like the rest of the main title. Dracula was coincidentally released and it rang a bell. Also, the title of the film could suggest a vampire film (although it isnt).

 
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