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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2      General Discussion: The Wind Machine     1 2    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   Feb 22, 2004 - 5:41 PM     By:   c8   (Member) Okay...I broke down and bought Goldsmith's The Blue Max yesterday when I found it marked down to $13 (a steal) at my local Barnes and Noble. Now, obviously a staple of that score is the fabulous effect created by the "Wind Machine" in several tracks. I've got myself in a curiousity rut, though. What exactly was The Wind Machine? Was it a primitave synthesizer/electronic instrument, or was it an actual fan that made wooshing sounds. Or was it something completely different? Also, the linear notes make reference to it being a staple in Goldsmith's works in years to come. I can only think of two in which it appears; Blue Max and Star Trek: TMP. So, what others did it appear it to garner it the "staple" nomenclature in the linear notes (Ford...this is a good one for you since you are credited with writing the notes ;-) )?    Posted:   Feb 22, 2004 - 6:17 PM     By:   Simon Gomersall   (Member) The Omen, and The Other, are just two more scores which spring to mind... Oh, and I think he used it in Night Crossing. The wind machine itself is not electronic, more a sort of cylinder operated by turning a handle. I first saw it in action during Goldsmith's 1987 London concert with the Philharmonia Orchestra, when they played the suite from The Blue Max. Simon    Posted:   Feb 22, 2004 - 6:23 PM     By:   Southall   (Member) It was also used at last week's London concert during "Soarin' Over California"... I must admit that I was surprised to read in the notes that it had become a "staple" of his work since I wasn't actually aware of any other Goldsmith scores that featured it - so thanks to those who have mentioned the ones that do!    Posted:   Feb 22, 2004 - 6:52 PM     By:   HAL 2000   (Member) It also seems to have made an appearance in ST:TMP during the cue when Kirk rubs the charring off V'ger's name-plate.    Posted:   Feb 22, 2004 - 7:27 PM     By:   Gordon Pym   (Member) It was also featured in Maurice Ravel's ballet "Daphnis et Cloé". Its french name is éoliphène (aka "wind machine"). I guess it was firstly used as a sound device on the stage, as a sound effects device, and was later incorporated within the orchestra by the great Frenchman. Now what we need is a book on this instrument. Anyone caring to write it?    Posted:   Feb 22, 2004 - 7:54 PM     By:   HAL 2000   (Member) Of course, if you want to hear lots of the instrument check out Richard Strauss' "An Alpine Symphony".    Posted:   Feb 22, 2004 - 8:31 PM     By:   EdG   (Member) There's also Ralph Vaugh Williams' score for SCOTT OF THE ANTARCTIC, later reworked into his "Sinfonia Antarctica."    Posted:   Feb 22, 2004 - 11:12 PM     By:   BJN   (Member) Richard Strauss used it as early as 1897 in Don Quixote and it has been fairly regularly used since, so I wouldn't call it a Goldsmith speciality. BTW, I can't hear any wind machine effects in Vejour Speaks in ST:TMP, it's just strings (with some tremolo) and low woodwind.    Posted:   Feb 23, 2004 - 12:06 AM     By:   HAL 2000   (Member) BTW, I can't hear any wind machine effects in Vejour Speaks in ST:TMP, it's just strings (with some tremolo) and low woodwind. That's because "V'ger speaks" is not the cue. The cue, on my b••t copy of the complete score, is called "Voyager 6!" and is not on the 20th Anniversay edition. But watch the scene on the tape or DVD and you'll hear the wind machine.    Posted:   Feb 23, 2004 - 12:15 AM     By:   BJN   (Member) That's because "V'ger speaks" is not the cue. The cue, on my b••t copy of the complete score, is called "Voyager 6!" and is not on the 20th Anniversay edition. But watch the scene on the tape or DVD and you'll hear the wind machine. I'll do it tomorrow, for me now it's time to stagger to bed, before I collapse in front of the computer (it's 3 AM local time).    Posted:   Feb 23, 2004 - 2:55 AM     By:   Bill Finn   (Member) My old edition (1959) of the New College Encyclopedia of Music says about the Wind Machine: "An apparatus in common use on the stage to imitate wind. The sound is produced by creating friction between a hard substance and a piece of silk stretched over a revolving framework. It has occassionally been employed in the orchestra, e.g. by Strauss in Don Quixote and by Vaughan Williams in Sinfonia Antartica." I think they did not mention Alpine Symphony because in 1960 it had kind of not been re-discoverd as yet. Wow, I just don't remember it in STAR TREK at all. I don't have the b**t, but do not recall it on my new DVD. You sure that you are not thinking of "The Beam" (another sound effect entirely)?.    Posted:   Feb 23, 2004 - 4:43 AM     By:   c8   (Member) No, its there in the scene when Kirk discovers V'Ger is Voyager 6 at the end. I just got done watching TMP, and its definately the same contraption heard in The Blue Max!    Posted:   Feb 24, 2004 - 3:21 AM     By:   Score Whore   (Member) Don't forget the campfire scene in BLAZING SADDLES...    Posted:   Jul 25, 2017 - 11:14 AM     By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member) Could've sworn there was a dedicated thread to Goldsmith's use of the wind machine, and there probably is, but I can't find it. Anyway.... I'm listening to Intrada's release of The Wind and the Lion, and Goldsmith used the wind machine on this score... kinda makes sense, since the word "wind" IS in the title of the movie!    Posted:   Jul 25, 2017 - 6:58 PM     By:   rickO   (Member) Goldsmith used the wind machine tons! Just off the top of my head, I can say that he used it in these scores: The Blue Max, Star Trek I, The Omen, Alien, Wind & The Lion, Poltergeist, Night Crossing. It's a cool and striking sound. -Rick O.    Posted:   Jul 26, 2017 - 6:30 AM     By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member) Apparently the whole reason for including "Inner Workings" on LLL's Star Trek 50th Anniversary Collection was to bring back the wind machine that wasn't heard in the 3-disc edition of TMP.    Posted:   Jul 26, 2017 - 6:42 AM     By:   Grecchus   (Member) At least JG didn't precipitate the synthfartically induced sound of wind too far ahead of time. He really knew how to balance the old with the new.    Posted:   Jul 26, 2017 - 7:52 AM     By:   Solium   (Member) Apparently the whole reason for including "Inner Workings" on LLL's Star Trek 50th Anniversary Collection was to bring back the wind machine that wasn't heard in the 3-disc edition of TMP. A critical miscalculation fixed, though an expensive fix seeing you have to buy the 50th set just to get the one track. Thankfully the set also included ST:TAS music which made it worth the extra dough.    Posted:   Jul 26, 2017 - 8:38 AM     By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member) A critical miscalculation fixed, though an expensive fix seeing you have to buy the 50th set just to get the one track. Thankfully the set also included ST:TAS music which made it worth the extra dough. You also get a huge upgrade in sound quality on the TOS library tracks from the complete box that are repeated in the 50th set, and of course TWOK Epilogue without Nimoy's narration.    Posted:   Jul 26, 2017 - 8:55 AM     By:   Solium   (Member) A critical miscalculation fixed, though an expensive fix seeing you have to buy the 50th set just to get the one track. Thankfully the set also included ST:TAS music which made it worth the extra dough. You also get a huge upgrade in sound quality on the TOS library tracks from the complete box that are repeated in the 50th set, and of course TWOK Epilogue without Nimoy's narration. Yes, that was another plus. Forgot about that one.     General Discussion: The Wind Machine    < 1 2  > >>  Go to page:  1 2   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2

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