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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1      General Discussion: The Prime Of Miss Jean Brodie   Last Post   Posted:   Jul 9, 2004 - 10:50 PM     By:   David in NY   (Member) The dvd of 'The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie' has just been released by 20th Century Fox. I had seen this film a couple of times around 1969 and I'm absolutely positive there was the song titled 'Jean' by Rod McKuen played either at the beginning or over the end credits.Even on the dvd box it mentions that the theme song "Jean" was written by him and nominated for the Best Song Academy Award. My question is: WHERE IS IT? It no longer is in the film, unless you count a brief theme played by orchestra at the beginning.How can Fox advertise the song on the back of the box, but then not include it? Anyone else out there recall the song and who sang it? Was it McKuen?    Posted:   Jul 9, 2004 - 11:32 PM     By:   joec   (Member) I also recall 2 soundtrack LPs bieng issued, one on the Warner label, which may have been a re-record by McKuen. And an "offical" one on the 20th Century Fox label. The Warner LP was the more common of the 2. I believe McKuen did record the song for both albums    Posted:   Jul 9, 2004 - 11:39 PM     By:   CAT   (Member) David, I don't know why the song, "Jean" has been omitted from the new DVD. It's a shame. Rod McKuen did write the song (the whole score, as a matter of fact), and he was the one who sang it over the end credits. The recording that hit the pop charts was performed by Oliver. Funny, but I don't recall ever hearing anything from him after "Jean."    Posted:   Jul 10, 2004 - 12:47 AM     By:   cinemel1   (Member) Interesting that you mention the song "Jean". I didn't realize it was missing from the film until I watched the trailer which does contain some of the song. I really can't remember whether it was ever actually sung in the film itself.    Posted:   Jul 10, 2004 - 6:44 AM     By:   siriami   (Member) Just got this DVD from the US - and, yes - the song is omitted (it was sung - in part - over the end credits). Even Ronald Neame, the director, mentions it in his audio commentary! Why, Fox, why????? It was on the print that Fox used for the UK VHS video a few years ago....And also on the original soundtrack LP (SSL 10278). As part of the Fox "Studio Classics", I should have thought that this film deserved a better treatment than this. And the liner notes even mention that the song was Oscar nominated.    Posted:   Jul 10, 2004 - 7:38 AM     By:   manderley   (Member) You all know this I'm sure, but: When the Academy's song category was first developed in the '30s, film songs not only actually came from the films, but were sung on camera. Hard to believe now, but that was the POINT of the category! By the '50s, films like "High Noon" or "Love Is A Many-Splendored Thing" had title songs sung on the film's soundtrack, but not on camera in the body of the film. Eventually, (in the early '60s, perhaps?), with the release of many non-musical films, the studios, eager to capitalize on every aspect of the production, arranged for lyrics to be added to a key musical theme to make it into a real song for radio and record play even if it hadn't appeared in the film as a song. The studios were eager to get song nominations, but the Academy, seeing this new problem, decreed that a song must be heard, with lyrics, somewhere in the running time of the actual film, to receive a nomination. I know that "Born Free" was a key example of this. The studio pulled the release prints and replaced a remixed last reel so that the song could be sung at the end, and thus qualify for the song category. I feel certain this is why you suddenly hear Rozsa's "The Falcon and the Dove" as part of the ending and exit music of "El Cid" and I suspect this happened with "Prime of Miss Jean Brodie" as well. Fox probably accidentally pulled the first release track out of the vaults instead of the "fixed" song-included version. (If Fox is going to continue releasing this non-song version on video, perhaps we should notify the Academy to withdraw the song's nomination from the official records as it no longer appears in the film!)    Posted:   Jul 10, 2004 - 10:31 AM     By:   joec   (Member) Fox probably accidentally pulled the first release track out of the vaults instead of the "fixed" song-included version. (If Fox is going to continue releasing this non-song version on video, perhaps we should notify the Academy to withdraw the song's nomination from the official records as it no longer appears in the film!) Proably another in a long list of recent FOX Home Video foul ups!    Posted:   Jul 10, 2004 - 12:24 PM     By:   moviejoemovies   (Member) Proably another in a long list of recent FOX Home Video foul ups! Don't get me started about FOX again.    Posted:   Jul 11, 2004 - 1:51 AM     By:   Howard L   (Member) This is unbelievable. More like unconscionable. Both.    Posted:   Jul 11, 2004 - 5:04 AM     By:   Eric Paddon   (Member) Why am I not surprised to see that after fouling up "One Million Years B.C." and "Star!" in their DVD releases, Fox is still at it in terms of sheer incompetence? I've never seen this movie so I can't relate to this specific problem but it's exactly what they've been doing on other titles they've mucked up and except for fixing the missing Exit Music on "Cleopatra" they've never come through at all in terms of fixing screwups like this.    Posted:   Jul 11, 2004 - 5:32 AM     By:   siriami   (Member) Can I just correct something in my last post - I have checked my (UK) VHS Fox video of this film, and - the song over the end credits ISN'T there! (Just shows you how your mind can play tricks on you). But it is on the copy I taped from the BBC last year (18/04/03) - although it is a poor print. Maybe there was a UK print (with the song) and a US print - without? Either way - I want a DVD from Fox with the song included! Recall????    Posted:   Jul 11, 2004 - 10:56 AM     By:   David in NY   (Member) Thanks for the feedback, so I was not imagaining having heard the actual song in the film after all. I remember back in the mid to late 80's I had purchased a video release of the Jack Lemmon/Sissy Spacek film 'Missing'. The video was much different from what I had seen in the theater. It was missing the swear words and the political outcome at the end was altered enough to get me to write MCA/Universal. They let me know that the whole bunch of copies of 'Missing' was ACCIDENTALLY "made from a copy from an airline print" (Cleaned up). MCA replaced my tape with apologies! So, how many possible copies are looked at before determining which one to use for a master?    Posted:   Jul 11, 2004 - 3:38 PM     By:   Joe Caps   (Member) Ofx had another weird foulup lately. Diary of anne Frank in the uncut roadshow version - there is an overture. the end of the overture plays over the fox log (obviously without the fox fanfare). Then the credits immediately begin. The new dvd has the overture. which play scompletely on black screen. aftr it done, the fox logo appears with no sound - then the credits. begin. this was all correct onthe old laserdisc but is NOT correct here.    Posted:   Jul 11, 2004 - 5:37 PM     By:   Bullitt   (Member) I don't claim to be an expert or in the know about this but I would speculate that the problem is music licensing. The Great Gatsby video releases were missing Irving Berlin's What'll I Do because it was only licensed for theatrical and broadcast television. As Paramount did not want to pay another re use fee, it dropped the song for Home Video. (since corrected for DVD) It's possible the use of Rod McKuen's vocal is not licensed for home video and that is why it shows up in television prints and not on the video or DVD.    Posted:   Jul 12, 2004 - 12:37 PM     By:   David in NY   (Member) I don't claim to be an expert or in the know about this but I would speculate that the problem is music licensing. The Great Gatsby video releases were missing Irving Berlin's What'll I Do because it was only licensed for theatrical and broadcast television. As Paramount did not want to pay another re use fee, it dropped the song for Home Video. (since corrected for DVD) It's possible the use of Rod McKuen's vocal is not licensed for home video and that is why it shows up in television prints and not on the video or DVD. Bullitt: THAT was an angle I had never thought of. When I read you're statement about Paramount not wanting to pay the license fee for use of the song it struck a cord with me. I remember when the Video of 'Chinatown' was released (or mayber re-released) and when I played the tape there was something wrong. In 'Chinatown', when Jack Nicholson puts a pocket-watch underneath a rear wheel of a parked car; right around this scene there was a song playing in the background "I Can't get Started'(Gershwin/Duke). In the video re-release, it was gone. Only then did I see in very small print on the bottom of the box 'some music has been changed for this version'. So, how many versions of a film can there be out there? 'Alien' and 'Legends of the Fall' are two films that come to mind where there are at least 3 versions available on dvd.    Posted:   Jul 12, 2004 - 1:00 PM     By:   GMP   (Member) A new print of "The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie" was screened last year at the Egyptian Theater in L.A. Director Ronald Neame was there for an interview after the film (Doubled billed with "Scrooge") At the end of the film the song "Jean" was sung but only for a few bars then the song was cut off in the middle. The song was sung while the screen remained black. We thought it was odd they didn't include the whole song and the audience did moan a little. The film was said to be released soon on DVD.    Posted:   Jul 12, 2004 - 2:26 PM     By:   David in NY   (Member) A new print of "The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie" was screened last year at the Egyptian Theater in L.A. Director Ronald Neame was there for an interview after the film (Doubled billed with "Scrooge") At the end of the film the song "Jean" was sung but only for a few bars then the song was cut off in the middle. The song was sung while the screen remained black. We thought it was odd they didn't include the whole song and the audience did moan a little. The film was said to be released soon on DVD. To GMP: This just gets stranger and stranger, at least to me.Your comments were welcomed, and I can sympathize with the audience sitting with a blacked out screen at the end;curious. On a completely different track here, it's good to know that The Egyptian Theatre is still there.For one single day, I worked there in 1976 as a teenage usher.The remake of 'King Kong' was on. Is there still a tiny building in the back that has a couple of small separate screens as well?    Posted:   Sep 18, 2016 - 9:56 PM     By:   joec   (Member) A new print of "The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie" was screened last year at the Egyptian Theater in L.A. Director Ronald Neame was there for an interview after the film (Doubled billed with "Scrooge") At the end of the film the song "Jean" was sung but only for a few bars then the song was cut off in the middle. The song was sung while the screen remained black. We thought it was odd they didn't include the whole song and the audience did moan a little. The film was said to be released soon on DVD. I just watched the twilight time blu ray of Brodie. There are only afew bars of the title song at the last of the end titles before abruptly cutting off. The song should have continued over a dark screen much like exit music. Unfortunately not the case with the new blu ray. Very disappointing.    Posted:   Sep 19, 2016 - 4:44 AM     By:   Last Child   (Member) I just watched the twilight time blu ray of Brodie. There are only afew bars of the title song at the last of the end titles before abruptly cutting off. The song should have continued over a dark screen much like exit music. Unfortunately not the case with the new blu ray. Very disappointing. I assume you checked the music-only track as they might have included the entire song (at that moment, or somewhere else on the track).    Posted:   Sep 19, 2016 - 9:06 AM     By:   joec   (Member) I just watched the twilight time blu ray of Brodie. There are only afew bars of the title song at the last of the end titles before abruptly cutting off. The song should have continued over a dark screen much like exit music. Unfortunately not the case with the new blu ray. Very disappointing. I assume you checked the music-only track as they might have included the entire song (at that moment, or somewhere else on the track). I'm listening to the commentary firstly, very interesting and we'll done. Isolated score track next. Although it contains sound effects so i am not hopeful that the song is completely presented. I have to dig out the old 20th century fox soundtrack lp and see how it is represented there.     General Discussion: The Prime Of Miss Jean Brodie    < 1  >   Go to page:  1   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1

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