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 Posted:   Jul 19, 2004 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

Anybody heard this one yet? Usual crapola or back to the good old days?

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2004 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   Moonie   (Member)

Im looking forward to it comming out. That and King Arthur are on my must list.
sd

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2004 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Well I just read a seriously negative review of the film (Alan Jones, Starburst). Now there's a surprise. Did anybody expect this film would actually be good?

John

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2004 - 3:11 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

Did anybody expect this film would actually be good?

*looks around*
Nope! But the few clips from Jim Dooley's website sound promising! (if you're an MV fan)

King Arthur sounds terrific! It sounds distinctly like Zimmer, but it's not ripped off from Gladiator or The Last Samurai.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2004 - 3:13 PM   
 By:   Joe Sikoryak   (Member)

There's a hilarious interview with Jonathan Frakes being assaulted by rabid Thunderbirds fans on The BBC Five Web site:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/

There's another interview promoted on the main page, but the funny one with Frakes is under LISTEN in the left nav bar, then scroll down to ENTERTAINMENT on the next page...

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2004 - 3:56 PM   
 By:   BlanketyBlank   (Member)

Nope! But the few clips from Jim Dooley's website sound promising! (if you're an MV fan)


Been to Dooley's site... where are these clips you speak of? I'd love to get a listen!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2004 - 4:15 PM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)


King Arthur sounds terrific! It sounds distinctly like Zimmer, but it's not ripped off from Gladiator or The Last Samurai.


I'm not a Zimmer basher by any means and am more than willing to give him his just due but the score for King Arthur went absolutely nowhere for me. It was pretty shapeless and ambient, never evolved... pretty much ends in the same tone that it starts, with the groundless, unexciting presence of the wordless female wails adding little. A circular listening experience.

The mushy, murky, indistinct soundscaping which seems to have taken hold starting with Braveheart (hailed as the fresh, new way of scoring large historical epics) has become a cliché which in itself has much less musical value than the "old Hollywood way" now automatically pissed upon by young audiences and Hollywood suits.

In order to recapture the energy and fun of Barry Gray's music Zimmer will have to be bolder and much more thematically specific with Thunderbirds.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2004 - 5:32 PM   
 By:   scoringsessions   (Member)



Been to Dooley's site... where are these clips you speak of? I'd love to get a listen!


The clips have been removed because certain individuals decided to distribute them and host them on other websites.

Jim is no longer going to be providing clips from the Zimmer projects he works on as a result.

See what happens when people ruin it for the rest of us??

Dan

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2004 - 5:57 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

The mushy, murky, indistinct soundscaping which seems to have taken hold starting with Braveheart (hailed as the fresh, new way of scoring large historical epics) has become a cliché which in itself has much less musical value than the "old Hollywood way" now automatically pissed upon by young audiences and Hollywood suits.


To be honest, I don't really know what you mean when you say "murky, indistinct soundscaping" when talking about Braveheart and King Arthur. Both contain distinct themes. King Arthur actually has less noise than some of his previous efforts. Or maybe you mean something else.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2004 - 3:20 AM   
 By:   scoringsessions   (Member)

Speaking of KING ARTHUR.... the first review is up here:

http://www.soundtrack.net/soundtracks/database/?id=3700

THUNDERBIRDS review will be up this weekend, after I see the film....

Dan

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2004 - 7:06 AM   
 By:   Clogg   (Member)

Anybody heard this one yet? Usual crapola or back to the good old days?

Saw the movie last weekend in a preview. It is BY FAR the worst movie I've seen in a very, very long time--and I'm usual the type of guy who enjoys going to the movies and who usually sees something good in a movie even when the critics are bashing it. But the Thunderbirds... there's absolutely nothing good about it; and that includes the score (mostly by Ramin Djawadi, rather than Zimmer).

The original Thunderbirds theme is used quite a few times; and gets the MV-drum 'n bass treatment. There's a second (original, but totally generic) heroic theme for International Rescue. There are some menacing (but totally unmemorable) chords for the villain, The Hood. And there's loads and loads or boring, uninspired, unexciting filler music.

There is no fire, no passion in this score. Even when the original Thunderbirds theme is played, it sounds 'flat'. But seeing the movie, I cannot blame the composer(s) for wanting to get done with it a.s.a.p. The story is weak. The acting is bad. The visual effects are mediocre at best. AND... it's kids movie, starring a kid, and his nerd kid-friends. It's a bad version of Spy Kids with the IR-gadgets.

Did Jonathan Frakes even SEE the original show?

I guess not.

pete.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2004 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   Matt Perkins.   (Member)

Yikes -sounds pretty bad, Pete! I was going to take my 3-yr old nephew to see this but I think the poor little mite deserves something better so perhaps I'll get him the newly released DVDs of the great original show instead...

Your description of the score sounds pretty close to what I was expecting from Zimmer (or whoever else contributed). Where is Barry Gray when you need him?

Perhaps I'll go anyway if my curiosity (masochism?) gets the better of me...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2004 - 8:38 AM   
 By:   Simon Morris   (Member)

Where is Barry Gray when you need him?



A long time dead,unfortunately. But I know what you mean. Even were he still around, they'd never have used him for this film. At least its good to know that his music is held in such high regard that people who remember it don't think it can be matched.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2004 - 12:02 PM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)

Speaking of KING ARTHUR.... the first review is up here:

http://www.soundtrack.net/soundtracks/database/?id=3700

Dan


Oh well...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2004 - 12:24 PM   
 By:   Thomas Scofield   (Member)

The previews I've seen to this are an absolute insult to the original series. Not even remotely in the same spirit. And, while I don't hate Zimmer and his crew, they are absolutely the wrong choice for this sort of thing.

Why do they do these things anyway, since they seem to have so much contempt for them?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2004 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)

I was momentarily optimistic about the movie about 9 months ago but the more I see of it the sicker I feel. It is so painfully apparent that the movie is being marketed to 12 year olds who like still the Power Rangers. This could have had an adult coolness factor of many of the contemporary live action superhero movies like Batman or even Spiderman but what I see is closer to Agent Cody Banks and Spy Kids.

I smell a stinker in every way... critically, financially and otherwise. Jonathan Frakes should have upped his game since the Star Trek films but he seems to be moving in the wrong direction.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2004 - 3:27 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

Frakes' last film was Clockstoppers (2002), so it's really no surprise that his latest is another film for kids. If that is the case, then it's no wonder people here don't like it. We've become so accustomed to faux-kid movies like Shrek and Antz that it's quite surprising to see a strictly kid movie.

As for the score (those of you who have heard it), does it resemble Pirates of the Caribbean?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2004 - 4:13 PM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)

Frakes' last film was Clockstoppers (2002), so it's really no surprise that his latest is another film for kids. If that is the case, then it's no wonder people here don't like it. We've become so accustomed to faux-kid movies like Shrek and Antz that it's quite surprising to see a strictly kid movie.

As for the score (those of you who have heard it), does it resemble Pirates of the Caribbean?


You have a point. What bothers me is that the movie looks like Saturday morning TV with kids operating sophisticated, billion dollar gear and saving the world. Worse than that they all look like cover-models from the cover of 17 magazine. The old show was charming in its chessiness while this looks just plain cheesy.

Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow looks like a much better kid's movie.

BTW Bondo I notice that you always ask about ann upcoming Zimmer score by referencing another Zimmer score. Wouldn't it be great if it didn't sound quite like any existing Zimmer?

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2004 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   scoringsessions   (Member)

As for the score (those of you who have heard it), does it resemble Pirates of the Caribbean?

Been listening to the CD today, and I don't think it's like PIRATES at all, really. It has some big heroic themes, and if I had to pick one, I'd say it's more like THE PEACEMAKER than PIRATES.

But hey, what do I know!? wink
Dan

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2004 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   scoringsessions   (Member)

Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow looks like a much better kid's movie.

Ed Shearmur's score for SKY CAPTAIN is really great - big swashbuckling orchestral stuff!!

Dan

 
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