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 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   evanevans   (Member)

Hey guys,

I am sure this has been discussed a few times before but I am having a heard time digging up info on it in any threads here. What I am wondering is what films have been made without dramatic(off location) score? I know of the following:

Rope
The Birds
Rear Window
Lifeboat

What else?

Evan Evans

 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 5:54 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

The China Syndrome.

 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 5:57 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Dracula, Frankenstein, The Mummy (Karloff), Freaks - if movies this old count. It wasn't the norm to have underscore back then.

More "recent": The Blair Witch Project, Fail Safe, I Spit on Your Grave, Forbidden Planet (eletronic tonalities - this might qualify as music to someone from Altair).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   Jesse Hopkins   (Member)

Hey, I was going to start this thread. Reason being, I am a composer and there is so little quality film to score. So I figured I would put some examples on my webpage of how I would score quality films that have no soundtracks.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 6:14 PM   
 By:   evanevans   (Member)

Well Forbidden Planet doesn't count. I asked for movies with no dramatic score (off-location). Meaning only music that is playing on-set (car radio, etc), and no music that represents the drama of a moment or scene(s) (off-screen / off-location). Forbidden Planet uses pitched and unpitched electronics to convey emotion. That I a score, so it doesn't count.

And no silent films either. Preferably only those of the cinematic narrative variety (ie: edited scenes intercut from different angles and in the suspension of belief that you are watching a literal narrative).

Tell me more about FAIL SAFE and I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE.

Evan Evans

 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 6:28 PM   
 By:   swoony   (Member)

The Big Chill
Cast Away...well for most of the movie

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 6:39 PM   
 By:   evanevans   (Member)

I think you mean:

"I spit on your corpse!"

Evan Evans

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 6:41 PM   
 By:   evanevans   (Member)

What a great list we're making. Lot's of things I've forgot about.

Big Chill also doesn't qualify though. Films that use music for dramatic narrative don't count. Songs, Score or Sound Design don't count really. The Birds get's away with it becuase the sounds aren't really sound design. They are intended to sound real and are intended to be "on-location" sounds.

Evan Evans

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 6:43 PM   
 By:   evanevans   (Member)

The Big Chill
Cast Away...well for most of the movie


I think if we're going to include CAST AWAY than we can include COMA. But neither is devoid of dramatic score.

Keep 'em comin' this is fascinating!

Evan Evans

 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 7:03 PM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

The Defiant Ones--the only music is a song that Sidney Poitier sings.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 7:07 PM   
 By:   Alexborn007   (Member)

Network doesn't have any usage of music I believe. Some source material for the news/Beale Show broadcast openings, but that's about it.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 7:13 PM   
 By:   Alexcremers   (Member)

The Homecoming (1973). Although Ian Holm puts on one song to dance with Vivien Merchant. See it, buy it, rent it! Acting doesn't get any better than this.

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Alex Cremers


 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 7:14 PM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

Evans,

FAILSAFE is the serious version of DR. STRANGELOVE, as rendered from the Burdick/Wheeler novel by Sidney Lumet in his best black-and-white, straightforward, semi-documentary "New York style." It probably IS best done without music for maximum impact, but I find myself wondering what a really good, experimental spare score might have done for it. (I also suspect. . . not much!)

If you haven't seen this, check it out at the first convenient moment. It kind of got lost in the shuffle of STRANGELOVE's success, but it's almost as good, with a superbly chosen cast at the top of their form.

 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 7:21 PM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

I am not sure if CATCH 22 counts !?

Mika

 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 9:02 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

Hey Alex and Vinylescrubber, great films. Both on my top ten, and nice to see them here. smile

Rather than do another list, I'd offer a scored movie that could exist WITHOUT the music, and it's Chinatown. I think Goldsmith's score is a masterpiece, but Chinatown is one of those movies that has something in its condition which is entirely self-contained. Both its narrative flow and the editing structure simply don't require a musical subtext. However, the one Jerry gave it was brilliant anyway. It was the icing on a cake already iced.

Any others?

Cheers
Heath

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 9:17 PM   
 By:   evanevans   (Member)

The Homecoming (1973). Although Ian Holm puts on one song to dance with Vivien Merchant. See it, buy it, rent it! Acting doesn't get any better than this.
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Alex Cremers


yeah, song usage like that is fine. In the BIG CHILL however songs were used for dramatic effect during montages of people doing things for instance that were definately not being heard on-location. The supposed "song score".

I have not heard of this movie Alex. Cool.

Evan Evans

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 9:19 PM   
 By:   evanevans   (Member)

Network doesn't have any usage of music I believe. Some source material for the news/Beale Show broadcast openings, but that's about it.

Oh that's a cool one. Music for on-location is fine.

Great find!

Evan Evans

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 9:20 PM   
 By:   evanevans   (Member)

Come to think of it, does DR. STRANGELOVE have a score?

E3

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 9:23 PM   
 By:   evanevans   (Member)

Recap of the list thus far:

Lifeboat
Network
Rear Window
The Homecoming
Rope
Failsafe
The Defiant Ones
The Birds
I Spit on Your Corpse!
The Blair Witch Project
The China Syndrome

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2004 - 9:26 PM   
 By:   evanevans   (Member)

I did a search on IMdbPro and also found that Jeff Danna did not score the film but that he only wrote an opening and closing credits:

The Grey Zone (2001)

How about SEX, LIES, AND VIDEOTAPE? Does that have dramatic music?

Evan Evans

 
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