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 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

Lifeboat, Rope, Rear Window and The Asphalt Jungle have scores.

I find films without music somehow more compelling, more immediate and spontaneous, than films with scores. But there aren't many, unless you count the early talkies. Many films made between 1928 - 1932 had no music scores. Some of the W.S Van Dyke films had no scores. Ingmar Bergman, Michelangelo Antonioni and Sidney Lumet frequently had no scores in their films. Begman's Persona (1966) has no music, but he applies sound effects in the opening sequence as if it were a score.

The following films have no scores:

1931 M
1949 The Set-Up
1951 The Tall Target
1952 The Narrow Margin
1957 The Defiant Ones
1963 The Birds
1964 Fail Safe
1965 The Hill
1969 Marooned
1971 The Panic In Need Park
1973 The Homecoming
1973 Scenes From a Marriage
1975 Dog Day Afternoon
1975 The Passenger
1976 Face to Face
1976 Network
1978 The China Syndrome
1999 The Blair Witch Project
2007 Paranormal Activity



And Cloverfield, I'd say.


I thought marooned had some score. Minimal.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I find that rarely works, very occasionally it does, more than not though it hurts the movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

"Executive Suite".

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

By: kirksworks (Member)
"The China Syndrome had a score by Michael Small, released by Intrada. Perhaps the score was not used in the film"
---------------------------
You are correct on both counts. Intrada did indeed release the unused score from The China Syndrome by Michael Small. The film featured no music score whatsoever.

 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 3:02 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Sidney Lumet originally planned SERPICO to have no score.
Fortunately, producer DinO De laurentis convinced him otherwise!
brm

 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 3:50 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Ingmar Bergman, Michelangelo Antonioni and Sidney Lumet frequently had no scores in their films. Begman's Persona (1966) has no music, but he applies sound effects in the opening sequence as if it were a score.


I think Richard-W meant that Ingmar Bergman's THE SILENCE has no music score.
(unless he meant the 1968 SHAME, which also has no music)

PERSONA does have music (by Lars Johan Werle) and in more scenes than the opening credits.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 3:51 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I thought marooned had some score. Minimal.


Maybe, but there is no credited composer.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2014 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   gsteven   (Member)

Re: REAR WINDOW

Who sings "Lisa" in the film, who is the lyricist, and was a piano solo published? I don't know of any recording, except for David Carroll's LP "Serenade for a Princess", on Mercury in the 50s. I've never seen or heard that album so I don't know if it is instrumental or vocal.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2014 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

bump

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2014 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

What about the Paul Newman picture (directed by George Roy Hill) - SLAP SHOT ? The credit reads, Music Supervision by Elmer Bernstein, but throughout the film there are only a few pop songs here and there; no actual "scoring" in any of the scenes.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2014 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Jeff Eldridge   (Member)

Re: REAR WINDOW

Who sings "Lisa" in the film, who is the lyricist, and was a piano solo published? I don't know of any recording, except for David Carroll's LP "Serenade for a Princess", on Mercury in the 50s. I've never seen or heard that album so I don't know if it is instrumental or vocal.


This should answer two of your questions:



According to Lyrical Satirical Harold Rome: A Biography of the Broadway Composer-Lyricist by Tighe E. Zimmers:

http://books.google.com/books?id=geKvAQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA220&ots=bmcC0KqDRm&dq=lisa%20%22harold%20rome%22%20%22franz%20waxman%22&pg=PA94#v=onepage&q&f=false

Rome wrote three different lyrics, two called "Lisa" and a third called "Love You."

The David Carroll version was an instrumental. You can hear it by following one of the links on this blog post:

http://brewlitesjazztales.wordpress.com/2012/08/18/rear-window-1954-lenny-franz-and-der-bingle-extracted-partly-jazzy-soundtrack/

Harmonica player Eddy Manson also recorded an instrumental version:





http://www.ebay.com/itm/EDDY-MANSON-VERY-RARE-PROMO-THE-HEATHER-ON-THE-HILL-/270872126151?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3f113ca2c7

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2014 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   Doc Loch   (Member)

Unless I missed it, I don't think anyone has mentioned Woody Allen's Interiors yet. I don't recall it having any non-diegetic scoring.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2014 - 3:01 PM   
 By:   gsteven   (Member)

Thanks Jeff!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2014 - 8:53 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

There's no background score to John Huston's THE ASPHALT JUNGLE, just opening and closing credit music by Miklos Rozsa.

Not true. There is music over the opening credits which extend into the opening scene of a police car tailing the Sterling Hayden character (Dix Handley) as he enters his friend's diner. A powerful opening that brilliantly sets the mood of this classic noir and grandfather of all heist films, but it's an insignificant contribution dramatically speaking compared to what comes toward the end of the story. A very stern police captain explains to a captive group of reporters that they've rounded up all of the criminals except one (Dix Handley). "A hooligan" he shouts adding "a man without human feeling or human mercy". That scene dissolves into Dix (half dead after having been shot earlier in the story) deliriously driving with his emotionally distraught girlfriend (Jean Hagen) to his childhood's Kentucky farm accompanied by Rozsa's frantically jabbing strings. As they speed along during an unusual daylight countryside setting (most of the preceding story takes place at night in the city) Dix, after having driven all night, mutters poignantly about how everything will be fine as long as his Pa hasn't sold the black colt (he really loves horses) and his girlfriend cries over the state he’s in. The music intensifies, slows and rises in octaves and yearns as Dix finally reaches the gate to the farm his Pa no longer owns, staggers across the magnificent lawn, blood pouring out of his stomach wound, with his girlfriend crying out his name as she runs behind him. He drops dead on the lawn and she continues on for help as Rozsa segues into a hauntingly peaceful interlude. A few horses surround him and one of them gently nudges his face as he lies there on his back staring straight up into space. THE END appears over a long shot of this idyllic setting and that's when Rozsa's music climaxes into one of the most achingly romantic themes heard in American cinema playing through to the final cast credits. The contrast is quite striking hearing this orchestral tour-de-force after having heard no music since the film’s opening. All around, perfection personified. Film music applied as such has no peer.


Well said! And one might add that Andre Previn's jukebox cues play over an important scene.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2014 - 8:58 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

FilmSound.org defines a score as "the original music composition for a motion picture...recorded after the picture has been edited."

Wow! That's so obviously wrong in both clauses that I must wonder if this site has any validity at all. Reminds me of Copland's (I think) remark that when a layman says two words about music, one of them is likely to be wrong.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2014 - 9:35 PM   
 By:   Doc Loch   (Member)

There's no background score to John Huston's THE ASPHALT JUNGLE, just opening and closing credit music by Miklos Rozsa.

Not true. There is music over the opening credits which extend into the opening scene of a police car tailing the Sterling Hayden character (Dix Handley) as he enters his friend's diner. A powerful opening that brilliantly sets the mood of this classic noir and grandfather of all heist films, but it's an insignificant contribution dramatically speaking compared to what comes toward the end of the story. A very stern police captain explains to a captive group of reporters that they've rounded up all of the criminals except one (Dix Handley). "A hooligan" he shouts adding "a man without human feeling or human mercy". That scene dissolves into Dix (half dead after having been shot earlier in the story) deliriously driving with his emotionally distraught girlfriend (Jean Hagen) to his childhood's Kentucky farm accompanied by Rozsa's frantically jabbing strings. As they speed along during an unusual daylight countryside setting (most of the preceding story takes place at night in the city) Dix, after having driven all night, mutters poignantly about how everything will be fine as long as his Pa hasn't sold the black colt (he really loves horses) and his girlfriend cries over the state he’s in. The music intensifies, slows and rises in octaves and yearns as Dix finally reaches the gate to the farm his Pa no longer owns, staggers across the magnificent lawn, blood pouring out of his stomach wound, with his girlfriend crying out his name as she runs behind him. He drops dead on the lawn and she continues on for help as Rozsa segues into a hauntingly peaceful interlude. A few horses surround him and one of them gently nudges his face as he lies there on his back staring straight up into space. THE END appears over a long shot of this idyllic setting and that's when Rozsa's music climaxes into one of the most achingly romantic themes heard in American cinema playing through to the final cast credits. The contrast is quite striking hearing this orchestral tour-de-force after having heard no music since the film’s opening. All around, perfection personified. Film music applied as such has no peer.


Well said! And one might add that Andre Previn's jukebox cues play over an important scene.


What perfect timing. I'm delivering a paper at the SERCIA Music and Film conference next weekend on the music in John Huston's films and will be talking about both the Rozsa score and the jukebox scene.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2014 - 12:10 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Victor Young also recorded the REAR WINDOW theme on his LP "Night Music" (Decca DL 8085).



And Leroy Holmes recorded it for his LP "Lush Themes from Motion Pictures" (MGM E3172).

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2014 - 8:10 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

To claim that REAR WINDOW has no music or a score is ignorant if not preposterous. Starting with the main titles, Franz Waxman composed a great score for this film, even though it has only a few cues. In fact, one of the cues had been used already by Waxman in A Place in the Sun. Lalo Schifrin re-recorded them and it was a great influence on Leonard Bernstein for instance, as we can hear it in West Side Story.

Music is an important element in REAR WINDOW, the song Waxman composed for the unemployed composer, LISA, not only stops Ms. Lonely Hearts from killing herself, but also at the end later becomes Grace Kelly's character's theme. Funny how people limit film music to only action cues by Hans Zimmer.


Yes, the little fugato from 'A Place in the Sun' recycled in the film is the one involved in the famous coincidence anecdote Waxman's son told about Franz's meeting with Shostakovich. Waxman also supervised and selected the 'source' cues very hands-on.

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2014 - 8:25 AM   
 By:   Mr. Vyse   (Member)

If I'm understanding correctly, I think NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN would be a match.

 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2017 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

The 1974 TV movie "The Gun" has no original score.

 
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