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 Posted:   Oct 29, 2004 - 6:30 PM   
 By:   TownerFan   (Member)

I'm in a full Goldsmith period in these days, so today I picked up OUTLAND and listened to it. It was a long time I didn't catch it and put it on my stereo.

Jerry's music is magic, as usual. But what struck me (again) like a lightining is the central action cue "Hot Water": whoa... that's an action cue! smile Yes, there are several (lovely) nods to Stravinsky's PETROUSCHKA and THE RITE OF SPRING, but this is one of the most compelling, exciting, intense action cues Jerry ever wrote. The writing is first-rate, there's a beautiful care in the orchestration. I love the huge sound he brings out of the orchestra, there's wonderful, manic brass and woodwinds playing throughout all the cue.

Wouldn't be great if some modern coreographer would stage a ballet out of this music? I believe that great film music would qualify perfectly also as modern ballet music (LOGAN'S RUN action music come to mind too).

 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2004 - 7:19 PM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

The scene that music is written for is an equally amazing action set piece. It's well shot, superbly edited and shows a very high level of craftsmanship that one rarely sees in modern action films.

Neil

 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2004 - 8:58 PM   
 By:   RcM   (Member)

Wouldn't be great if some modern coreographer would stage a ballet out of this music?

Oh Gad! I just had a nightmarish flashback to Debbie Allen's Oscar ballets!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2004 - 9:39 PM   
 By:   jamesluckard   (Member)



Oh Gad! I just had a nightmarish flashback to Debbie Allen's Oscar ballets!


Yep. Try as I might, I'll never erase the image of the tap dancing tribute to Saving Private Ryan. Did she really not understand how tasteless it was?

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2004 - 5:43 AM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)



Yep. Try as I might, I'll never erase the image of the tap dancing tribute to Saving Private Ryan. Did she really not understand how tasteless it was?


It would have been more fitting if the tapdancers were gunned down by machine gun fire from German bunkers.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2004 - 7:00 AM   
 By:   Alexcremers   (Member)

What a coincidence. Last week I found this soundtrack in a shop but felt uncertain as to whether I should buy it, so I left it there.



 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2004 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   TownerFan   (Member)



Oh Gad! I just had a nightmarish flashback to Debbie Allen's Oscar ballets!


smile

Well, it would be great if some challenging film music like OUTLAND would be used to stage "serious" modern ballet... like the ones you see in theatre.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2004 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   Monterey Jack   (Member)

"Hot Water" is indeed one of Goldsmith's most savage and intense chase cues. Just too bad that the end of it was clipped from the film.

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2004 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

What a coincidence. Last week I found this soundtrack in a shop but felt uncertain as to whether I should buy it, so I left it there.




You should go back and get it.

Neil

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2004 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   George_Stark   (Member)

What a coincidence. Last week I found this soundtrack in a shop but felt uncertain as to whether I should buy it, so I left it there.




I'd try to get the one that features the music to Capricorn One on it.

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2004 - 2:44 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

What a coincidence. Last week I found this soundtrack in a shop but felt uncertain as to whether I should buy it, so I left it there.

Hello Alex. If I were you, I'd go back to the shop and buy it. If you like Alien and Capricorn One, you'll probably like this. It's sort of a fusion of both.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2004 - 6:35 PM   
 By:   JohnSWalsh   (Member)

It's a great score, with all of Goldsmith's strengths--suspense, action, and sadness in that marvelous cue "The Message". And it's for an incredibly awful film--"Hot Water" is another example of a great cue to a lousy scene. If you can dig it up read Harlan Ellison's take on this insipid waste of film. Peter Hyams...... Such a bad moviemaker with such good taste in composers.

Too bad Introvision never caught on, though I think some of the modelwork in LOTR is kind of its offspring in that they stuck to lots of actual models.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2004 - 7:33 PM   
 By:   Alexcremers   (Member)



Hello Alex. If I were you, I'd go back to the shop and buy it. If you like Alien and Capricorn One, you'll probably like this. It's sort of a fusion of both.


I don't remember the music of Capricorn One but as a youngster I loved the movie!


--------------------
Alex Cremers

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2004 - 8:14 PM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)



I don't remember the music of Capricorn One but as a youngster I loved the movie!


The movie may not hold up to more mature tastes. I still enjoy it though. The score is also very good. I'd love to see a deluxe set come out for this score, with the album recording on one disc and the film recording on another. And while you're at it, make them both SA-CDs.

Neil

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2004 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   Tom   (Member)

Yes, 'Hot Water' is one of the greatest action cues written by Goldsmith. I have played that one over and over again.It builds and builds. Though Hyams is not a great director, he is known for his 'set pieces' in his films, that is, his chase scenes which typically are the best things about his movies and 'Hot Water' is definitely the high point in "Outland", which is a remake/ripoff of "High Noon", and not a very good one at that.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2004 - 3:21 PM   
 By:   astrosound   (Member)

If anyone is interested, the Warner France OUTLAND album is available for download on Apple's iTunes Music Store. Just go to the iTunes website and search for "Outland" or "Jerry Goldsmith" and it should come up. I think they're selling the album for $9.99, or individual cues for 99 cents each. They don't have much for Goldsmith, but I was surprised to find OUTLAND!

--Astro

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2004 - 8:54 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

This has always been one of my personal favorite Goldsmith scores. I really like how jagged and rough it is, and how cold and impersonal. It is one of the last Goldsmith scores to sound like this.

"Hot Water" is awesome, but I also enjoy "Early Arrival," which is a very tense cue.

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2004 - 9:54 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

When Goldsmith was in Toronto back in the early 80's, he said that he was completed bored with the film.

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2004 - 10:34 PM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

When Goldsmith was in Toronto back in the early 80's, he said that he was completed bored with the film.
It doesn't show with his music.

Neil

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2004 - 10:37 PM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

It's not a great film by any stretch, just a Western in outer space. The score though, is superb!

I seem to remember somewhere that 'Hot Water' wasn't written by Goldsmith though?...anyone able to confirm my dodgy lacking memory, or am I barking up a wrong tree?!

 
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