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 Posted:   May 8, 2005 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

Yes, it's pretty bad, I know. But while watching the movie yesterday it occurred to me that probably the best cue isn't on the album: the horse chase towards the end. Is there a reason why that's been omitted from the Silva disc? I can't believe it's an artistic decision, given some of the dross that's on there, and it's not a time problem either (the disc runs about 62 minutes and eight of those aren't in the final film anyway).

NP: SHILOH (Joel Goldsmith)

 
 
 Posted:   May 8, 2005 - 5:26 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Yes, it's pretty bad, I know. But while watching the movie yesterday it occurred to me that probably the best cue isn't on the album: the horse chase towards the end. Is there a reason why that's been omitted from the Silva disc? I can't believe it's an artistic decision, given some of the dross that's on there, and it's not a time problem either (the disc runs about 62 minutes and eight of those aren't in the final film anyway).

NP: SHILOH (Joel Goldsmith)



Wasn't one the tapes we were given to produce the CD.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   May 8, 2005 - 6:08 PM   
 By:   Simon Morris   (Member)

I actually don't think it's a bad score really - ok, it's not a Bond score but I've heard worse film scores (a lot of the stuff that's done these days for example) smile

The most disappointing thing for me was the loss (on the album) of the Herb Alpert solo at the end of the song on the closing titles.

Incidentally, Richard Morrison's book on the London Symphony Orchestra says that the LSO actually performed the score, which I certainly didn't know, although I don't recall if they were credited in the film.

 
 
 Posted:   May 8, 2005 - 8:20 PM   
 By:   quiller007   (Member)

Legrand's score is more suitable
for a Bond film than Conti's
score for For Your Eyes Only,
or Serra's Goldeneye score, imo.
Good title song performed
by Lani Hall, too. And I wish
some folks would start observing
Never Say Never Again as an official
Bond film, because it is.

Den




 
 Posted:   May 8, 2005 - 10:05 PM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

I wish some folks would start observing Never Say Never Again as an official Bond film, because it is.
When Albert R. Broccoli's name is on it I'll accept it. Until then it will remain outside of canon, regardless of it's literary origins.

Neil

 
 
 Posted:   May 8, 2005 - 10:09 PM   
 By:   BJN   (Member)


When Albert R. Broccoli's name is on it I'll accept it. Until then it will remain outside of canon, regardless of it's literary origins.

Neil


Exactly.

No Broccoli means not canonic.

 
 Posted:   May 8, 2005 - 10:26 PM   
 By:   TheSaint   (Member)

Besides, why would you want this film in cannon as he's retired in it, unless you put it at the end of the series as the Last Bond Story.

 
 
 Posted:   May 9, 2005 - 4:07 AM   
 By:   quiller007   (Member)

Besides, why would you want this film in cannon as he's retired in it, unless you put it at the end of the series as the Last Bond Story.

So? Put it at the end, then. I still
consider it a real Bond movie.
Casino Royale (1967) on the other hand....
It will be interesting to see the
new version of CR, no matter who
they get to play 007.

Den

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2005 - 6:11 AM   
 By:   shicorp   (Member)

The movie isn't that bad. To be honest, better than everything the EON Bonds offered since 1989. However, Monty Norman's Bond theme is definitely missing in this one. Perhaps the best example to demonstrate people, what the Bond sound has done to these movies and how they would be without it.

Wasn't the original LP a collector's item, as it was only release in Japan?

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2005 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   Sehnsuchtshafen   (Member)




Wasn't one the tapes we were given to produce the CD.


Ford A. Thaxton




Is there a chance for a restored release with all missing tracks, including the Alpert take? The sound should be improved by all means. I think the LP sound far better than the CD.

I consider NSNA as a very good score. It's completely different from the other Bond scores. If you ask Legrand you never get the usual stuff. - Just listen to Une Chanson D'Amour, great song for a scene that's fun to watch.

Has anyone here the Japanese CD release (same label did the LP) of the original LP cut? I've never seen a picture of the cover so far, made several contacts in Japan to inquire about it, they confirmed it existed but never cared to own this CD. It seems almost impossible to find a copy now.

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2005 - 3:09 PM   
 By:   Scott H.   (Member)




Wasn't one the tapes we were given to produce the CD.


Ford A. Thaxton


How unfortunate. I love that cue and it was the reason why I bought (a used copy) it.

Also, I think that Conti's FYEO score is terrific as a Bond score.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2005 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

I consider NSNA as a very good score. It's completely different from the other Bond scores. If you ask Legrand you never get the usual stuff. - Just listen to Une Chanson D'Amour, great song for a scene that's fun to watch.

It's probably my least favourite score, with the possible exception of DR NO. Obtaining it through links provided on this forum, I watched the film again at the weekend with most of the Legrand score replaced by various cues from the official Bond films - it's an interesting watch, very well done in parts, although it detracts a bit when an actual theme (such as MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN) makes itself heard.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2005 - 7:47 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)


Obtaining it through links provided on this forum, I watched the film again at the weekend with most of the Legrand score replaced by various cues from the official Bond films - it's an interesting watch, very well done in parts, although it detracts a bit when an actual theme (such as MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN) makes itself heard.


Couldn't agree more. It's a great piece of work, technically, and most of the choices are on the money. Some have a tendency to echo the original use (Journey to Atlantis from TSWLM being an obvious example) which was more distracting to me for some reason.

That all said, I don't dislike Legrand's original. And I've never liked the song that was used for the end titles, so it left a slightly bitter taste.

But a labour of love and very professional. Wish I could do that.

Chris

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2014 - 4:12 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Bumping this old thread. This score is certainly no masterpiece, but when you ditch the dated, schmaltzy source cues and the horrible theme song, you get about 34 minutes' worth of an orchestral score on the CD. I created a playlist of the orchestral underscore, and while I had to adjust the order to make up for the deleted tracks, it is pretty good. I certainly wouldn't plunk down big bucks for an expansion, though.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2014 - 7:15 PM   
 By:   films1   (Member)

Funny enough i just watched this film again last night , and i listened to Irving Kershners commentary .. he states in it that he didnt like the score at all , and he did not pick legrand to score the movie, i seem to think that he was scoring YENTL at the time and striesand reccommended him to the producers .

 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2014 - 8:11 PM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

I find most of it a fun listen...sure there are some clunkers or tracks, but on the whole it's just fine. Never had a problem with the theme song either (though I would have much preferred Phylis Hyman's original song in there). It's ok. The Silva CD comes out quite regularly.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2014 - 8:28 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

Funny enough i just watched this film again last night , and i listened to Irving Kershners commentary .. he states in it that he didnt like the score at all , and he did not pick legrand to score the movie, i seem to think that he was scoring YENTL at the time and striesand reccommended him to the producers .

If that's the case his memory was failing. Why would Streisand recommend Legrand to the producers when it was Kershner who she worked with on UP THE SANDBOX? Kershner was in post at the same time as Streisand was on YENTL and she recommended Legrand to him.

James

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2014 - 9:36 PM   
 By:   jpteacher568   (Member)

I wish some folks would start observing Never Say Never Again as an official Bond film, because it is.
When Albert R. Broccoli's name is on it I'll accept it. Until then it will remain outside of canon, regardless of it's literary origins.

Neil




Neil, I wholeheartedly agree with you on this one.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2014 - 9:38 PM   
 By:   jpteacher568   (Member)

It was Sean Connery who had final say over the composer, and while he wanted a score similar to ICE STATION ZEBRA, many of the cues from NSNA sound an awful like THE THOMAS CROWN AFFAIR.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2014 - 10:47 PM   
 By:   dragon53   (Member)

I wish someone would release a remastered version of NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN.

 
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