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 Posted:   Sep 5, 2005 - 8:26 PM   
 By:   solarwnz   (Member)

I remember this episode as a child but until yesterday I had never really listened to the music John wrote for it.
I am glad I finally did! Over all it is very well written and has that classic William's sound and breath. But the last track, "The Landing" is incredible! It is so beautiful and moving.
I don't know why but I feel like a distant memory of something sorrow-felt and wonderous has surfaced from deep inside and has come back to remind me of a time when I felt magic was possible. I have no visual representation of this memory but I can feel its effects. Perhaps this is part of what Thor is referring to when he speaks on the virtues of nolstalgia. Truly a welcome sensation...
In any event, check this score out and particularly the last track. Even though there is an obvious homage to Goldsmith's "The Blue Max" (I won't say rip-off as that seems inappropriate giving the subject matter) this piece is uniquely Williams.
I'm going play it again right now...

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2005 - 9:15 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

Wonderful score, klutzy recording.

I respect the RSNO, but they clearly either had inadequate rehersal time (or just an off-day) when they did this CD. Copious clams and generaly ragged playing (the trumpets render the Amazing Stories "Main Title" virtually unlistenable).

But yes, it *is* a wonderful score, almost transcendent of the performance.

I was however deeply diappointed Varese elected record Delerue's "Dorothy & Ben" instead of his infinitely superior "The Doll". frown


Paul

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2005 - 9:33 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Wonderful score, klutzy recording.

I respect the RSNO, but they clearly either had inadequate rehersal time (or just an off-day) when they did this CD. Copious clams and generaly ragged playing (the trumpets render the Amazing Stories "Main Title" virtually unlistenable).

But yes, it *is* a wonderful score, almost transcendent of the performance.

I was however deeply diappointed Varese elected record Delerue's "Dorothy & Ben" instead of his infinitely superior "The Doll". frown


Paul



Gee, you might lead people into think you know what your talking about.

To say that any aspect of this album is UNLISTENABLE is laughable.


The truth of the matter is that the album is pretty good, not perfect but pretty good and legit.

My biggest problem I have with this recording is that in the cue "Jonathan Begins to Draw:", when I first heard it something bugged me, it was well done, but something was wrong and I couldn't put my finger on it until I saw the show again.

When I heard the OST, It dawned on me that their was a very important Snare Drum line that runs through the piece that is NOWHERE to be found on the VARESE CD and when you compare the two, it not being there makes a HUGE DIFFERENCE in the tone and color of the piece.

Why isn't it there?

I have three GUESSES (which is based on nothing more then my personal experience).

1.) Williams added it on the stage and it didn't appear in original score, this is HIGHLY DOUBTFUL given how Williams works


2.) When VARESE got the scores and parts this element was missing and it wasn't discovered.

3.) They might not have had a snare drum player available for the date and they thought no one would notice.


Whatever the case, it's a bit of a disappointment, but it's still an otherwise good recording of two rare Williams nad Delerue scores that I wold tell anyone to pick up if they are fans of their work.

To piss on is uncalled for.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2005 - 9:45 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

Maybe his "problem", like mine, is that he listened to the score conducted by Williams as on the TV episode (there was also a bad sounding bootleg floating around years ago). And then, you hear McNeeley/Debney/whoever re-record it and you hear all the differences. Tempo, intensity, flow...

Is like hearing the BLACK SUNDAY film finale in movie and then hearing the Silva suite, though in this case even the music "per se" differs (and I dont know why).

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2005 - 10:01 PM   
 By:   Anonie_Mouse   (Member)

The Mission has always been very special to me... I had no idea there was a recording of its music... I watched this hour fantasy/drama as an adult... and I can not remember anything before with a conclusion that made me laugh and cry at the same time. A few years later I had the opportunity to photograph one of the twins in the cast... he was so delighted that anyone even remembered the show.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2005 - 10:03 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Maybe his "problem", like mine, is that he listened to the score conducted by Williams as on the TV episode (there was also a bad sounding bootleg floating around years ago). And then, you hear McNeeley/Debney/whoever re-record it and you hear all the differences. Tempo, intensity, flow...

That's a major problem with many film music fans, they tend to be VERY ANAL and don't understand that music can be performed differently from one recording to another.

If you aren't openminded enough to appreciate you tend to have problems with recordings other then the soundtrack reocrding.

This specific recording is rather good IMHO, it's far from awful.



like hearing the BLACK SUNDAY film finale in movie and then hearing the Silva suite, though in this case even the music "per se" differs (and I dont know why).

I think I can answer that question.

The Score that was recorded by EDEL and later issued by SILVA is Williams ORIGINAL versions of his cues...

Somewhere after scoring for completed, the film's final two or thee reels appear to have been recut and Williams score was recut to fit the new version, the most interesting change is that Williams End Title was replaced by another piece of music which APPEARS to be patched together from other cues.

It's possible that he wrote and recorded it, but it just FEELS like a music editor put it together.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2005 - 10:27 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)


That's a major problem with many film music fans, they tend to be VERY ANAL and don't understand that music can be performed differently from one recording to another.



Well...while I am unrepenently anal about many things wink I did play the trumpet for years in orchestras and jazz bands (and have even performed WIlliams' music) so I feel I know what I am talking about.

And speaking as a trumpeter, the recording of the main title on the Varese Amazing Stories CD *is* unlistenable.

The closing bars of that cue are destroyed by some hideously clammed notes from the trumpet section. Now...I don't totaly blame the musicans -- Williams music is VERY demanding, partucularly on the trumpet section (which is part of the reasons his scores -- and performances of his score -- have so impressed me), and I would not be surprised at all if the main title was recored late in he day, after the players' lips were blown.

But Varese should have either found the time and money to re-record that track (heck its less than a minute long!) or not included it at all.

I want to add that I am generally a proponent of rerecordings (even those made by the RSNO), and feel some of them are of equal worth to the originals . There are even rerecordings are *better* than the originals (the Gerhardt recordings, and the McNeely/LSO Body Heat come to mind).


Paul

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2005 - 10:44 PM   
 By:   Anonie_Mouse   (Member)


Some years ago there was a recording that has (thankfully) disappeared of The Bride Of Frankenstein... I believe it was on Varese with other Waxman snipets... it was ghastly.

I even wrote to the label (complaining) and was informed that John Waxman (the son) produced the recording and that I should "behave". Still, it took such liberties with the music that my teeth gritted and I dumped it.

Later Silva came out with a recording conducted by Kenneth Alwyn, and though some have said he too took liberties with the score, I have found it greatly enjoyable. At least the "synthesizer" portions sound truer to the original than what ever the hell the Varese version used.

Different strokes and all that...



 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2005 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

Thnx for the info, Ford. That Epilogue music, always seemed to me very williamesque (Dracula, The Fury), so I supposed something like that.

But in fact I was talking about the Finale of the film, not the end credits. In film there's a great fanfare with trumpet, I think, and in the Silva suite there's... another thing.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2005 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   dalekmindprobe   (Member)

Thnx for the info, Ford. That Epilogue music, always seemed to me very williamesque (Dracula, The Fury), so I supposed something like that.

But in fact I was talking about the Finale of the film, not the end credits. In film there's a great fanfare with trumpet, I think, and in the Silva suite there's... another thing.


That last fanfare is really cool, like a cue added onto the end as Shaw and blimp fly off camera. Most likely like what Ford said.. Williams came in and wrote that last minute maybe?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2005 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

"The Mission" is a fine score, but IMO the Delerue score beats it out of the water (or air, alternatively)! So lyrical, introspective and genuinely heartfelt.

But as a Williams completist, I'm glad this is available on CD, and I hope they will be able to record Williams' second (and last) episode for the series as well, "Ghost Train".

NP: "Great Wall" (Oakenfold)

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2005 - 2:52 AM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

The RSNO recording sounds pretty good to me. It's not perfect, but it's far from "unlistenable."

I emailed Varese in July 2000 asking if they were going to record any more of the "Amazing Stories" scores. Here is the response:

"Thank you for your note. Glad to hear you enjoyed our AMAZING STORIES recording. We had hoped to record at least a couple of volumes but the first one has unfortunately not done as well as we had hoped. At the moment we have no plans to continue the series. Very sorry."

I am very happy that somebody at Varese emailed me back, though. I've sent emails to them a couple of times and always received very pleasant responses.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2005 - 3:09 AM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)


Some years ago there was a recording that has (thankfully) disappeared of The Bride Of Frankenstein... I believe it was on Varese with other Waxman snipets... it was ghastly.


Are you talking about the "Legends of Hollywood" series? The second volume contains a hideous recording of a track from The Bride of Frankenstein. The performances throughout those four Waxman CDs generally leave something to be desired. That said, I'm still happy to have these recordings since most of them cover music that is not available in any other form.

By the way, I never listen to the Bride of Frankenstein track, I just listen to the Silva CD or the Gerhardt track instead.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2005 - 3:41 AM   
 By:   Anonie_Mouse   (Member)



Are you talking about the "Legends of Hollywood" series? The second volume contains a hideous recording of a track from The Bride of Frankenstein. The performances throughout those four Waxman CDs generally leave something to be desired. .



I think that was the recording... I dimly remember the electronic "effect" being wildly wrong.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2005 - 7:27 AM   
 By:   gumdrops1   (Member)

Right on Ford! It's always fascinating to hear another conductors take on an established piece of film music. New interpretations opens the horizons of thought and introduces the listener to greater sonic realities. Infinity!

That's a major problem with many film music fans, they tend to be VERY ANAL and don't understand that music can be performed differently from one recording to another.

If you aren't openminded enough to appreciate you tend to have problems with recordings other then the soundtrack reocrding.

This specific recording is rather good IMHO, it's far from awful.



like hearing the BLACK SUNDAY film finale in movie and then hearing the Silva suite, though in this case even the music "per se" differs (and I dont know why).

 
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