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 Posted:   Dec 3, 2005 - 7:05 AM   
 By:   musickco   (Member)

MacArthur (with Gregory Peck) is a movie which I think we all thought had a running time of 130 minutes. However a version turned up on Australian TV some years back which ran for 177 minutes - so allowing for telecine this puts the running time at well over three hours. Luckily a friend was able to video the transmission and send it to me - so I have seen it.

I'm not too familiar with the "original" version of the film (its years since I saw that) but I'm willing to bet the extended version has more of Goldsmith's score than we have been used to as the scoring continues spasmodically throughout the extended movie.

The extended version of the film very obviously suggests the movie originally had an intermission, occurring just before the signing of the Japanese surrender – and the end credits list every actor in the movie (many of who are not in the 130 minute version, of course).

The longer version of the film resembles Tora Tora Tora in that it also extensively shows events from the Japanese point of view – and much of this was obviously excised from the release prints of the movie.

As the film was recently issued on DVD I wonder why this additional footage - nearly an hour of it - was not made available.






 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2005 - 4:15 PM   
 By:   MWRuger   (Member)

Did the extra footage actually improve the film?

Not being a jerk, just curious if it was better as a long cut or a short one.

I have seen some long films that could stand a trim and some that are obviously in need of a little more story.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2005 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

I may be mistaken but I think the extended MacArthur cut was put together for its first airing on American TV, much like extended TV cuts of Star Trek: The Motion Picture, Superman and King Kong, etc.

If so, I believe it is not the cut Goldsmith scored, but his existing music for the shorter versio was just tracked-in to added scenes.

In any case it is a terrific score. I thought the film was ok, tho kind of had the feel of a TV movie (and those foggy diffusion filters rather date the film!). But its worth watching for Peck's outstanding performance and Goldsmith's score.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2005 - 7:51 PM   
 By:   musickco   (Member)

""Did the extra footage actually improve the film?""

A really good question. I'm glad to say, yes. It had been some years since I had seen the cinema version - and despite Peck's glowing performance, I found the film somewhat dull - and it did look like a TV movie somehow. But I found the longer version quite engrossing - I guess the additional Japanese perspective worked. And being "on TV" it now did not matter that the film looked TV orientated.

""I may be mistaken but I think the extended MacArthur cut was put together for its first airing on American TV ...""

Come to think of it that may well be the case - after all, would Universal put together a print just for Australasia? On the other hand this may be an original cut of the movie, the thinking being that many of the Japanaese sequences could be deleted - and later it might have crossed minds that Australia might have been more interested in this part of history - as it happened in their own back yard, so to speak.

And had the cut been made for US TV I would have thought someone in the US would have known about it - or have a video of it - and the IMDb might reflect this longer version too. But I'v never heard anything - hence my posting here to see if anyone else had come across this print.


 
 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2018 - 7:01 PM   
 By:   Kim Peterson   (Member)

Sorry for bumping an old thread, but with all the complaints when someone opens a new thread, I decided I would find old one. After being tortured with the viewing of Dullkirk over the holidays and a snow day today, I decided to pull out some older war films and curl up on the couch. I pulled off getting through 3, Patton, The Blue Max and MacArthur. All great movies with great scores, that show the way any great war movie should be scored. MacArthur is my favorite of the three, it could also be since it deals with my families country of origin. It is very interesting how Goldsmith developed MacArthur's theme though the movie and ends with a Goldsmith "Full Force" ending.

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2018 - 7:29 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Nice post (and good that you bumped this old thread with interesting comments about the extended edition). So you know what I'm going to ask, Goldsmith nut that I am...did you notice any significant unreleased cues during your viewing?

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2018 - 9:08 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

After being tortured with the viewing of Dullkirk over the holidays and a snow day today, I decided to pull out some older war films and curl up on the couch. I pulled off getting through 3, Patton, The Blue Max and MacArthur. All great movies with great scores, that show the way any great war movie should be scored.

Someone needs to tie Christopher Nolan to a chair and make him watch those three films. That way he can (hopefully) learn what an effective, well-crafted score actually is.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2018 - 11:52 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

According to the IMDB:

"TBS (Turner Broadcasting Station) showed an extended version never seen before. This version had never before seen footage starring James Shigeta as General Yamashita. There are scenes of him reviewing Macarthur's military background, his aide pleading his surrender, and Macarthur's refusal to pardon him after his war crime trial."

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2018 - 2:02 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I pulled off getting through 3, Patton, The Blue Max and MacArthur.


If there’s one perfect phrase to sum up the militant wing of the Cult of Jerry, I think that’s it.

(And of course the idea that Chris Nolan has never seen a war film before big grin )

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

You see, they know you here, i knew they'd never take the bait!! big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Haha, I was just waiting to see who was gonna jump all over that unfortunate turn of phrase.
Glad to see you never let me down Chris wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I’m comfortable with the heavy lifting, Kev. Speshly as they’ll have me on ignore already big grin

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2018 - 7:26 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

Great thread, although I was hoping it was about the impending re-release of MACARTHUR on CD. Its non-availability is puzzling. I'd settle for a re-release of the album version since I don't own this beauty, but would also be quite interested in a C&C.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2018 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Great thread, although I was hoping it was about the impending re-release of MACARTHUR on CD. Its non-availability is puzzling. I'd settle for a re-release of the album version since I don't own this beauty, but would also be quite interested in a C&C.

I'd definitely support anything above.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2018 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   Kim Peterson   (Member)

I pulled off getting through 3, Patton, The Blue Max and MacArthur.


If there’s one perfect phrase to sum up the militant wing of the Cult of Jerry, I think that’s it.

(And of course the idea that Chris Nolan has never seen a war film before big grin )


I should have worded that differently. They were very entertaining, it was just 8 hours of viewing!
As for MacArthur, I have to find my CD, but I believe there is a lot of music that has not been released, at least I did not remember some of the best ques. I am also not one to over "anal"yze the music like, "the best piece is missing from 1:20:24 - 1:20:37!" What I noticed was MacArthur's theme grew as the movie progresses. Same theme just bolder and what seemed like more parts or instruments. I will have to revisit this movie, the other 2 I can wait a few years.

I will be watching INCHON sometime too.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2018 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   ceb   (Member)

"
"TBS (Turner Broadcasting Station) showed an extended version never seen before"

is this available any where?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2018 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

In one of those strange quirks of gootcher-dom, after reading this thread and thinking 'I haven't listened to MACARTHUR in ages', it came on by random chance on my player today! (gotta love The Matrix).
I think this is one of those perfect 30+ minute presentations, with JG's standard ebb and flow from the LP days. Main Title opening, some sombre/tense/sad cues, Big Finish for Side 1. Heraldic opening of Side 2, more tense/sad to and fro, another Big Bang, then Finale/End Credits time.
He did so many great LP's like that back in the day.
Dunno how much extra music is in the film that's not on the album, but this sequence/presentation is perfect as it is.

 
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