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 Posted:   Dec 11, 2005 - 4:48 PM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

I just stumbled across this album while checking out SoundtrackCollector.com. Is it any good? Should I go after a copy on eBay? I already have the Fred Steiner recording, the Stromberg/Morgan recording and the original tracks as well as the Gerhardt suite. Should I add one more?

Neil

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2005 - 5:19 PM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

In a word, no. LeRoy Holmes also recorded Citizen Kane and Prisoner of Zenda for UA records (were there others?) utilising small orchestras and none of them sounded much like the original scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2005 - 5:21 PM   
 By:   cinemel1   (Member)

Forget about this re-recording. The tempos are all wrong. It does not sound much like the original recording or other re-recordings (Gerhardt). It is merely a curiousity. Others in the series were not much better.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2005 - 6:00 PM   
 By:   Greg Bryant   (Member)

I couldn't get rid of it fast enough.

Stick with the Marco Polo, Southern Cross (Fred Steiner, cond.) and the Turner/Rhino versions.

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2005 - 6:02 PM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

Thanks everyone!

Neil

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2005 - 10:27 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

As somebody who doesn't require slavish nuance-for-nuance faithfulness in their rerecordings, and has often argued that music can only live if it can be interpreted by conductors and musicians who aren't simply trying to recreate a single performance from many years ago, I have a strong opinion on this album. And that opinion is that it is extremely terrible. It sounds nothing like Steiner's score, and it's awful in its own right. There are so many other games in town -- the Morgan/Stromberg, the Fred Steiner, the original -- I can't see why anybody would pay even a quarter for this. In fact, I probably have other scores in my collection that, by sheer chance, sound more like Steiner's "King Kong" than this album does.

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2005 - 11:00 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

The LeRoy Holmes King Kong was also re-orchestrated especially for the recording (by someone who was probably not even working from Steiner's original skecthes). Instrumentation is decidely different in places.

Holmes also did a Citizen Kane album, which Bernard Herrmann publicly denounced as "a fake".

By the way, just who was LeRoy Holmes, and how did this series of recordings come about? Where were they recorded?


Paul

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2005 - 1:19 AM   
 By:   Big Planet   (Member)

Le Roy Holmes made at least four recordings for the United Artists label, released in 1975. The four I'm familiar with are: CITIZEN KANE, KING KONG, A STAR IS BORN and THE PRISONER OF ZENDA. I bought three of these and couldn't believe my ears upon hearing - they were terrible! Tempos were wrong on many occasions, but the worst thing about them was the size of the orchestra - it sounded like Holmes had less than 16 or 17 players!

None other than Royal S. Brown (writing in HIGH FIDELITY) really panned these recordings, calling Holmes' orchestra a "jug band!"

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2005 - 2:39 AM   
 By:   crazyunclerolo   (Member)

As somebody who doesn't require slavish nuance-for-nuance faithfulness in their rerecordings, and has often argued that music can only live if it can be interpreted by conductors and musicians who aren't simply trying to recreate a single performance from many years ago, I have a strong opinion on this album. And that opinion is that it is extremely terrible. It sounds nothing like Steiner's score, and it's awful in its own right. There are so many other games in town -- the Morgan/Stromberg, the Fred Steiner, the original -- I can't see why anybody would pay even a quarter for this. In fact, I probably have other scores in my collection that, by sheer chance, sound more like Steiner's "King Kong" than this album does.

LOL! Bravo, bravo!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2005 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   Koji   (Member)

>>>None other than Royal S. Brown (writing in HIGH FIDELITY) really panned these recordings, calling Holmes' orchestra a "jug band!"

Although I agree the King Kong album STINKS, like all the other LeRoy Holmes albums, I don't think I ever read a review by Royal S. Brown that I liked, or even that I understood. PRETENTIOUS!!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2005 - 8:14 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

I bought these 4 LPs when them came out about 1975. They are really terrible. I wrote United Artist records and let them knew what I thought of the 4 LPs. They sent me a photo copy of two letters from two people who liked them !! Well, I guess two people liked the LPs.

 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2005 - 8:41 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

I bought these 4 LPs when them came out about 1975. They are really terrible. I wrote United Artist records and let them knew what I thought of the 4 LPs. They sent me a photo copy of two letters from two people who liked them !! Well, I guess two people liked the LPs.

What an odd way to respond to a complaint. I suppose the two letters you got were the same (read:only) two supportive letters they sent anyone who complained about the Holmes recordings.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2005 - 9:01 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

Hi Ed. Yes, it was odd. They sent me no letter from themselves (United Artist Records.) Just a photo copy of two letters from two people who loved the 4 LPs was in the envelope. I then wrote them back and got no answer. In the 30 years to follow I have not seen anything by anyone else who liked the 4 LPs. Guess just two people. They did have neat covers though !!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2005 - 3:58 AM   
 By:   Bill Finn   (Member)


None other than Royal S. Brown (writing in HIGH FIDELITY) really panned these recordings, calling Holmes' orchestra a "jug band!"


That's pretty funny. But I think the concept fitted perfectly.

I had the occasion to meet Royal Brown at one time. Seemed like a funny down to earth person

(for a critic ;-)

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2005 - 4:18 AM   
 By:   Jameson281   (Member)

Holmes also did a Citizen Kane album, which Bernard Herrmann publicly denounced as "a fake".

Herrmann was so angered by the album that at the time of his death he was planning to make his own recording of the KANE score; he had gotten so far as to sign a soprano for the aria and get Welles to agree to contribute via some sort of written or recorded introduction.

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2005 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

As a matter of interest did any of you ever buy LeRoy Holmes version of FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE,I think that it was released in 1969.Now that was bad,can you imagine MORRICONE's delicate WATCH music thumped out at great speed on a HARPSICORD,I still shudder now.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2005 - 7:03 AM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

I was around 18 or so when the Leroy Holmes "For A Few Dollars More" came out. It was, in fact, the only version of the score you could get here in the US for a really long time. Back then, it was difficult to get imports and I was ignorant of the connections to find them. However, I was so OFFENDED at the sheer abysmal awfulness of this recording that I got off my duff and started researching sources for foreign recordings. I was was lucky enough to have 2-3 friends who were also interested in soundtracks. Leroy Holmes became sort of a catch-phrase or shorthand for musical banality and incompetance amongst us. Anyway, one of my friends made a trip to New York, located Footlight Records based on my research and came back with copies of the RCA Italia "Fistful/For a Few Dollars" album. So I can at least credit Leroy with inspiring me to get my first imported album and discover the wonderful world of Italian Imports. Many fabulous Morricones followed.
On another note, many may remember that the gawdawful Leroy Holmes arrangement of "The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly" was the one that actually made the pop charts. I occasionally still get into a conversation with "mundanes" and when if I mention "GBU" they will respond "Oh yeah, I remember that...Leroy Holmes wrote that right?"
ARRRRGH!

Now that I digressed enough....I was lucky enough not to buy the 4 LPs in question but I did hear "Kong", "Kane", and "Prisoner of Zenda"...All dreadful.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2005 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   shadowman   (Member)

Well, I for one like the four albums which have been so thoroughly trashed on this thread,and I may be the only one on the planet who does. They have lots of reverb,and I LIKE REVERB, which probably accounts for why I like them. They aren't
complete, and they aren't faithful to the originals,but I still like them as a listening experience. There, I've said it, and I'm glad I've said it! I think I'll go back to my corner now.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2005 - 1:05 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

I just stumbled across this album while checking out SoundtrackCollector.com. Is it any good? Should I go after a copy on eBay? I already have the Fred Steiner recording, the Stromberg/Morgan recording and the original tracks as well as the Gerhardt suite. Should I add one more?

Neil


These albums that were released by United Artist records circa 1973-74 were abysmal. Nice covers using the original posters art of the movies, but there wasn't a good release in the lot of them. Avoid them at all costs.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2005 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   musickco   (Member)

With all this talk of LeRoy Holmes aren't we forgetting his assault on Alex North's The Devil's Brigade?

 
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