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 Posted:   Jun 21, 2006 - 7:58 PM   
 By:   Martin Riggs   (Member)

I would like ask if somebody know why Michel Legrand didn´t compose music for Four Musketeers. I admire Lalo Schifrin´s work. Lalo Schifrin composed great score for Four Musketeers(I love Chase to the Convent,great action music and also Frozen Pond Fight),but I would like know what happend,why Richard Lester didn´t choose Michel Legrand again. I just hear Dirty business amongst the dirty laundry and it is also great piece of action music.

It would be great to have both scores in complete form.

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2006 - 8:21 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

I love both these films and they definitely represent the every best adaptations of that Dumas COMEDY ever. Lester and MacDonald Fraser at their best too, along with 'Royal Flash'.

I suspect the answer MIGHT lie in the 'scandal' involving the performers' and technicians' fees ... Lester, in a clever bit of chutzpah worthy of Porthos or Aramis filmed both films together as one three hour epic (which would've been a truly great one) but saved on expenses by releasing the two halves separately, so cashing in with a sequel. This was kept from all the actors etc., who en masse protested. It may even have come to the courts. PERHAPS (I have no knowledge of this) Legrand refused part 2 as an act of solidarity?

Just a possibility. Someone out there must knpw?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2006 - 8:47 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

I love both these films and they definitely represent the every best adaptations of that Dumas COMEDY ever. Lester and MacDonald Fraser at their best too, along with 'Royal Flash'.

I suspect the answer MIGHT lie in the 'scandal' involving the performers' and technicians' fees ... Lester, in a clever bit of chutzpah worthy of Porthos or Aramis filmed both films together as one three hour epic (which would've been a truly great one) but saved on expenses by releasing the two halves separately, so cashing in with a sequel. This was kept from all the actors etc., who en masse protested. It may even have come to the courts. PERHAPS (I have no knowledge of this) Legrand refused part 2 as an act of solidarity?

Just a possibility. Someone out there must knpw?


I imagine Legrand knows, as do the other parties involved.

I agree it's a shame Legrand didn't score the second one out of continuity's sake, but I have to admit FOUR MUSKETEERS is probably my favorite Schifrin score and I'd love to see a longer version of it one day.

Perhaps Legrand had other commitments and wasn't available to score the follow up film.

James

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2006 - 6:29 AM   
 By:   clipton   (Member)



I'd love to see a longer version of it one day.



Back in the 80's when filmscores first came out on cd - and before I had a cd player - I saw what I remember to be the score to Schifrin's Four Musketeers on cd -- and I doubt very highly that it had any connection to the re-recorded suite Schifrin conducted on cd along with Eagle Has Landed and Voyage of the Damned a number of years later. I've always regretted not buying the cd . . . I held it in my hands several times at Sam Goody's and Tower Records in N.Y. But, at the time, I had a huge LP filmscore collection, and there were only a small number of filmscores available on cd, and who knew if that format would really take off. So it was a few years before I bought a cd player - and cds - and the Four Musketeers cds were long gone by then. "He who hesitates is lost."

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2006 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   ahem   (Member)

Lester, in a clever bit of chutzpah worthy of Porthos or Aramis

The producers, NOT Lester.

Pretty remarkable that Ken Thorne wasn't called in to adapt and arrange Legrand's stuff for FOUR MUSKETEERS.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2006 - 12:51 PM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

It could also have been a tight schedule on legrands part.
Also,from the dvd,a lot of the actors did complain,though Chuck Heston didn't seem bothereed.In fact he seeemed to admire their cheek.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2006 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)



The producers, NOT Lester.

Pretty remarkable that Ken Thorne wasn't called in to adapt and arrange Legrand's stuff for FOUR MUSKETEERS.


Ken Thorne is a very talented composer in his own right, his work on SUPERMAN II is in retrospect quite good given the fact he had a smaller orchestra and less time then Mr. Williams had on the first film, so can we knock off the pissing on him for the moment?

As for THE FOUR MUSKETEERS, I seem to recall either seeing on the film or it being mentioned that he did indeed work on the film rescoring the Battle on the Ice scene.

I haven't seen the film in over a decade so I can't be SURE, but has anyone else seen him credited on that film?


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2006 - 3:47 PM   
 By:   ahem   (Member)

Ford,

are you retarded? No, seriously? Your conclusions make ZERO sense with NOTHING to support them. PLEASE stop doing this because you come off as such a boob.

I am a big Lester fan and a big Thorne fan, and I genuinely found it remarkable that Shifrin was hired to do what Thorne usually did before and after this movie; arranging someone elses material for Lester (FUNNY THING HAPPENED... , HELP, SUPERMAN II). Thorne had scored JUGGERNAUT around the same time in between the Musketeer movies too, so Shifrin was quite out of nowhere.

I only recall Shifrin's credit on the movie (end titles).

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2006 - 5:17 PM   
 By:   zippy   (Member)

The wrath of Yosemity Sam is coming!

I just got a comp. with "Lindt Vans" from Inspector Clouseau on it. Love his music from Help! and The Magic Christian too.

It would be interesting to find out how Lalo became involved.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2006 - 6:23 AM   
 By:   musickco   (Member)

As I remember The Three Musketeers was shot as one three-hour movie to have an intermission - a roadshow picture. Lester kept adding bits of business and the film became unweildy. The producers hit on the idea of releasing the film as two movies. Raquel Welch said the intermission should have come as she was knocked over in the town square.

I believe the material for The Four Musketeers was put together at a later date - and Legrand may not have been available to score what was, in effect, a different film at a different time. The cast did enter a class action and got paid twice for shooting "the one" movie!

On the Schifrin recorded suite from The Four Musketeers I recall that the music for the fight on the ice is quite different to that in the movie. So maybe the composer's original intention.

Of course Legrand was the original composer for the Lester-directed Robin And Marian.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 5:02 AM   
 By:   sound67again   (Member)

I'm just listening to the sequel score, which I like (although I like Schifrin's Guitar Concerto, for which Schifrin used some material from this score even more).

This story may be apocryphal, but I heard that Legrand was so appalled by the quality of Schifrin's score that he offered to re-score it for free. Truth be told, Legrand's music for The Three Musketeers is infinitely superior.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 6:47 AM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)



The producers, NOT Lester.

Pretty remarkable that Ken Thorne wasn't called in to adapt and arrange Legrand's stuff for FOUR MUSKETEERS.


Ken Thorne is a very talented composer in his own right, his work on SUPERMAN II is in retrospect quite good given the fact he had a smaller orchestra and less time then Mr. Williams had on the first film, so can we knock off the pissing on him for the moment?

As for THE FOUR MUSKETEERS, I seem to recall either seeing on the film or it being mentioned that he did indeed work on the film rescoring the Battle on the Ice scene.

I haven't seen the film in over a decade so I can't be SURE, but has anyone else seen him credited on that film?


Ford A. Thaxton


Both films are available as a double bill on Blu-ray in the UK. The discs are region free.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2015 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I have the Blu's, they're not very good. They're sort of faded & greenish on some scenes, they look better if you turn the colour right up. Done right they should look great, maybe one day.

I much prefer the Schifrin's score to the Legrand.

 
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