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 Posted:   Feb 15, 2007 - 11:53 PM   
 By:   Paul Ettinger   (Member)

I have sad news to report for anyone hoping to someday hear Ray Ellis' music for the Filmation shows including STAR TREK: THE ANIMATED SERIES. It has all been destroyed. The music existed as late as 2002 but sadly does not exist anymore. The gentleman who informed me of this asked that I keep it to myself so I cannot provide a source. After some assurances he did allow me to pass this information along, provided I removed any names.

"I have been talking at length with xxxx, the fellow responsible for the ...Filmation shows.
He told me that, before "Entertainment Rights" took posession of them, when Hallmark (the card company who put so much of their jargon into "caring") had the rights to the Filmation libraries, they digitized the shows themselves only from the 16MM broadcast prints and deliberately destroyed all the rest including the 35mm FX masters, raw film clips, bloopers and everything else that was archived belonging to Filmation. That includes the original music masters as well! ALL of it is gone forever.
Hallmark owned the Filmation libraries with actual disdain and were even known for telling off fans who inquired about the shows, responding with things such as "we hate that junk and we're never going to release any of it ever" and such things.
They digitized only the shows themselves strictly for the purpose of selling them to the company who would actually seek to release them, Entertainment Rights. Much like the vindictive and selfish kid in a sandbox who no longer wants a toy but would rather destroy it than let his friend have it, Hallmark deliberately destroyed everything except the shows themselves.
So, we'll never get the music from those shows. Ever.
Oh well. At least we do get the shows. Entertainment Rights at least is doing the best they can to make what's left available now. Ark-II is currently available on DVD, as is Space Academy. Jason of Star Command will be released in the spring, and Isis will be released later. More may follow."

So that's that. I know many people have inquired about the music for those shows and I thought some of you might be interested in this. You may have noticed that the music in the shows is not credited to Ellis, but two other composers; Yvette Blais and Jeff Michael. The names were actually pseudonyms. Yvette Blais was the wife of actual composer Ray Ellis while producer Norm Prescott's two sons were named "Jeff" and "Michael".

Some trivia there for you.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2007 - 12:02 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Jesus Christ. In this day and age, people are still actively destroying archival recordings. To quote McCoy - "What the hell is this, the dark ages?!"

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2007 - 12:05 AM   
 By:   Ed   (Member)

Too bad. Having the scores for one show would be like having them for every show because the same cues kept turning up in series after series...

Wait a sec, I just dropped in a TAS dvd and noticed a couple things. First, TAS is owned by CBS, not Hallmark. Perhaps someone can clear that up for me. Did CBS and Paraount get the rights back from Hallmark?

Second, many of the sound effects are in stereo, while the music is in mono. Since the original episodes were clearly in mono, there must have been some remixing for dvd (I can't comment on the Laserdiscs as they were a little rich for my wallet back then). Might some useful elements be extracted from the dvd mix elements?

Perhaps your source could comment.

p.s. - Why the pseudonym? Was he a union guy recording non-union for Filmation or something? I've wondered about that because the musicians' union contract was supposed to forbid recycled music scores beginning in the late '60s. Is that right?

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2007 - 12:40 AM   
 By:   MikeJ   (Member)

This really makes me sad... As Ed just mentioned, it seemed like it was the same 3 or 4 cues showing up in every episode I saw recently. Very repetitive but the music was terrific, just the same. Perhaps someone will be bold enough to reconstruct this music and do new recordings some day.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2007 - 12:42 AM   
 By:   MikePetersen   (Member)

Does that include John Marion's music from the 1966 New Adventures of Superman? Superboy? Aquaman? The Justice League of America? Dammit. The shows were indeed junk, but they have strong nostalgic value for boomers like me, and the music is fantastic.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2007 - 12:43 AM   
 By:   gumdrops1   (Member)

No respect for the craft whatsoever.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2007 - 1:55 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I take it this was *all* Filmation music materials - up to and including both He-Man and She-Ra?

(Though I must admit that the aforementioned Aquaman and other DC properties is a greater loss to the whole.)

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2007 - 2:31 AM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

This doesn't coincide with the news that Entertainment Rights had licensed all it's filmation music and such to SONY, last I heard sony was thinking about putting out a compilation of cartoon themes.


See here:
http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/showthread.php?t=124629&highlight=sony



Entertainment Rights Appoints BMG as Worldwide Music Publisher

BMG, the world's largest independent music publisher and third largest overall, will represent ER's catalogue of music rights worldwide for leading brands including Postman Pat®, Little Red Tractor™, Basil Brush®, He-Man and She-Ra as well as other brands owned or controlled by ER.

The agreement between ER and BMG Music Publishing will further bolster the publisher's presence in film and television and in particular the growing children's television market. BMG represents the music catalogues of major film and television companies such as the BBC, Fremantle, Talkback Thames and Famous Music (the catalogue of Paramount Pictures) to name a few and many other Indies such as Tiger Aspect and Wall to Wall.

In addition to the worldwide music publishing agreement, Sony BMG will release a children's CD and DVD compilation on 22nd August entitled 'Playtime!' which includes ER characters Postman Pat®, Basil Brush® and Little Red Tractor™.

Jane Smith, Group Commercial Director, Entertainment Rights commented:

"Today's agreement with BMG opens up significant opportunities in the music publishing arena for ER and its brands. We are only just beginning to unlock the potential of our brands in this area and this deal highlights the appeal of our extensive catalogue. We look forward to a rewarding partnership with BMG."

Simon Mortimer, Vice President, Business Development, Worldwide, BMG Music Publishing added: "BMG Music Publishing is thrilled to be partnering with Entertainment Rights. ER has a significant catalogue of well-known brands, providing BMG Music Publishing's global network with numerous music publishing opportunities around the world. Their portfolio of much-loved children's characters is a terrific addition to BMG's business."

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2007 - 2:53 AM   
 By:   The_Mark_of_Score-O   (Member)

They've destroyed Memory Alpha! Damn, bloody, murdering Romulans!

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2007 - 4:57 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

Does the destruction list include The Space Sentinels?

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2007 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

This doesn't make sense at all. In todays multi-media world, no company in its right mind would deliberately destroy marketable assets, especially those attached to a world wide franchise like Star Trek.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2007 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

This doesn't make sense at all. In todays multi-media world, no company in its right mind would deliberately destroy marketable assets, especially those attached to a world wide franchise like Star Trek.

Keep in mind that Star Trek is "on the ropes" for the first time since the late 80s. Enterprise was considered something of a dud (I found it to be infinitely superior to Voyager, myself) and Nemesis completely tanked (for good reason, terrible stupid movie).

Another big reason is that one of the big heads at Paramount has admitted to never liking the franchise at all (though I believe he meant to say the sci-fi genre as a whole), so the internal support system isn't there anymore. This is one of the reasons why we're not seeing all the great tie-in stuff now like we did in the 90s (action figures, technical manuals, CD-ROMs that weren't games, etc).

So then - what about the JJ Abrams movie? Well, considering he's hot property at the moment (the last time someone had been compared to Spielberg it was Shamalan and look at the reviews he's gotten since Unbreakable...), Paramount wants to try to jump start one of their largest franchises with a movie that isnt exactly "fan driven". How they plan on pulling that off is beyond me, given that Star Trek has been something of a clique show for 40 years.

(As an aside, I am as skeptical with Abrams taking the reigns as I am with a fourth Indiana Jones movie. Abrams ditched Alias - a pretty fun show - to make Lost and the former never recovered from it. I still have a grudge against him for that - as well as other things that I'll hold off on expressing until the right thread pops up)

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2007 - 4:43 PM   
 By:   Vincent Bernard   (Member)

I wouldn't exactly categorize Star Trek as being "on the ropes," myself. Though Gail Berman did leave Paramount last month, CEO Brad Grey has always been Abrams' primary champion. As I was also a big fan of Alias, I'm looking forward to see what he does with Trek, especially with a Michael Giacchino score.

As for merchandise, Diamond Select toys is doing wonderful stuff with the Trek franchise. Take a look...

http://www.diamondselecttoys.com/ (Click the Products tab, then the Star Trek button.)

Not only that, but Master Replicas has an absolutely gorgeous U.S.S. Enterprise Studio Scale Limited Edition coming...

http://masterreplicas.com//store/star_trek/star_trek/8641/

On top of all this, we have the current Original Series remasters going on, the result of which has had interest in TOS revitalized in many fan circles.

All in all, I'd say it's a good time to be a Trek fan wink

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2007 - 4:57 PM   
 By:   PTascar   (Member)

The problem with Star Trek is that it's a franchise that doesn't fit in like the other big money-making franchises like Star Wars. Star Trek's appeal with kids is somewhat limited. Star Trek has never been "cool" in the mainstream public in the way that Star Wars is. Star Trek films have likewise never come close to the type of big bucks profit that Star Wars films get.

I'm not saying that I would like Star Trek to bend over back to try to "hip" itself up for a profit. Star Trek is its own unique thing and I assume that's what all Trekkers feel about it. But I imagine that these are some of the factors that bug the hell out of Paramount executives who are trying to find their next source of profit.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2007 - 8:31 PM   
 By:   Disco Stu   (Member)

I really really REALLY LOVE that music.
It is a very solid show. ST-TOS and ST-TAS are the only interesting stuff for me in what I consider otherwise a pool of unwatchable twodl with very few exceptions.

Whoever is responsible can be very glad that I don't live in the US or he/she would be neither anymore.

I never liked Hallmark with it's third rate Barbara Winfrey americana kitsch. But now I really am tempted to take a flamethrower to every one of their stands with their pathetic junk.
And as for suits, CEO's and other low fore headed executive scum: "kill 'em all, let the devil sort 'em out". But then again I was of that pursuasion before this thread.
What a really bad ending to a day.

Now if you excuse me, I of to reactivate my voodoo-doll, napalm and polonium set.

DS.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2007 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   Intro to Jar Jar Binks   (Member)

I really really REALLY LOVE that music.
It is a very solid show. ST-TOS and ST-TAS are the only interesting stuff for me in what I consider otherwise a pool of unwatchable twodl with very few exceptions.

Whoever is responsible can be very glad that I don't live in the US or he/she would be neither anymore.

I never liked Hallmark with it's third rate Barbara Winfrey americana kitsch. But now I really am tempted to take a flamethrower to every one of their stands with their pathetic junk.
And as for suits, CEO's and other low fore headed executive scum: "kill 'em all, let the devil sort 'em out". But then again I was of that pursuasion before this thread.
What a really bad ending to a day.


I'm with you, pitchforks and disruptors and all.

First Johnny Douglas's cartoon scores, now this. What species of douchewad performs this act of destruction ON PURPOSE? Am I to believe that no one made the culprits an offer, however generous or not, to take this stock out of their hands?

Back to humming the cues from memory... frown

 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2007 - 7:15 PM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

The problem with Star Trek is that it's a franchise that doesn't fit in like the other big money-making franchises like Star Wars. Star Trek's appeal with kids is somewhat limited. Star Trek has never been "cool" in the mainstream public in the way that Star Wars is. Star Trek films have likewise never come close to the type of big bucks profit that Star Wars films get.

I'm not saying that I would like Star Trek to bend over back to try to "hip" itself up for a profit. Star Trek is its own unique thing and I assume that's what all Trekkers feel about it. But I imagine that these are some of the factors that bug the hell out of Paramount executives who are trying to find their next source of profit.


I disagree, when I was in elementary schoool, everybody talked about Star Trek: TNG and DS9. Nobody really talked about Star Wars, there hadn't been any new films in ages. The Back To The Future franchise seemed to be more popular from waht I can remember.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2007 - 3:19 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

(Sorry, but --) Those god*****d, mother f**king a**holes. Jesus fricking Christ, do people never learn? The BBC erased dozens of classic Doctor Who episodes; Uncle Floyed got erased without thought; literally hundreds of old films have crumbled to dust. The Film Preservation Society has more films to shore up than can be believed and STILL a company can just thoughtlessly and without care destroy elements of of film and TV work.

Even at its most trivial, film and TV are pieces of living history and a reflection of the times in which they were created.

I don't get. I really don't.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2012 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   jeffm12012   (Member)

It would not surprise me at all that Hallmark Cards would destroy Filmation's library. Check out laurelandhardy.com and you will find out how only a third-party intervention prevented Hallmark from destroying the original master negatives to the classic comedies of Stan and Ollie!

I was never a great fan of Filmation cartoons, but they entertained a whole generation of kids, earned a following, and could have continued to do so had they only passed into other hands.

Hallmark is like Disney; a company with such a warm-fuzzy public image that no one dares criticize them. I worked for Hallmark for nearly 13 years, and the entire department of over 30 people I worked in was eliminated in one fell swoop last December. (Just as they were in the middle of their annual Christmas money-grub too; awwwww...)

When you care enough, right?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2012 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   jeffm12012   (Member)

It would not surprise me at all that Hallmark Cards would destroy Filmation's library. Check out laurelandhardy.com and you will find out how only a third-party intervention prevented Hallmark from destroying the original master negatives to the classic comedies of Stan and Ollie!

I was never a great fan of Filmation cartoons, but they entertained a whole generation of kids, earned a following, and could have continued to do so had they only passed into other hands.

Hallmark is like Disney; a company with such a warm-fuzzy public image that no one dares criticize them. I worked for Hallmark for nearly 13 years, and the entire department of over 30 people I worked in was eliminated in one fell swoop last December. (Just as they were in the middle of their annual Christmas money-grub too; awwwww...)

When you care enough, right?

 
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