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 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

When viewing 'A River Runs Through It' last weekend, I noticed something that I'd forgotten about, but had noticed before: During the openenig credits when it gets to Music Score, it says 'Elmer Bernstein'. It's obviously, clearly Mark Isham's beautiful work. Was Isham's score a replacement? And if it was, why didn't the filmmakers have time to make the change in the credits for the dvd, which came a long time AFTER the film came out? I can't recall whose name was on the screen when I saw it during it's first weeks opening, back in the early 90's.
(Incidentally, if Bernstein's score WAS replaced, has anyone heard his unused score?)

 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Yes, Bernstein's score was replaced by Isham's. And Isham was certainly credited in the theatrical release. Going back to the elements for DVD release, somebody goofed. Apparently, this same thing happened with the DVD for "Author! Author!," where Johnny Mandel is credited, though his score was replaced.

 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I just spotted this on the IMDB:

The US DVD has different composer credits for the widescreen/pan & scan version. The widescreen version lists Elmer Bernstein (whose score was rejected) while the pan & scan version lists Mark Isham (who replaced Bernstein).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I heard about two minutes of his score from a recording from one of the concerts honoring Bernstein's music. I just loved those two minutes. It had a gorgeous "wide open spaces" theme that certainly would fit the fishing sequences. I would love to see this rejected score released in a CD. Please, please!!!

 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   Southall   (Member)

Ditto. I would love to hear this one - Isham's score is very good, but it does seem like a perfect Bernstein picture.

I'd love to hear his Scarlet LEtter and Gangs of New York rejected scores also - I'm sure someone dropped a very broad hint that the latter was going to be released last year, but obviously that never happened - I hope it's still on the cards.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 4:10 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

I wonder if all versions of the widescreen copy of this have this error. I know Sony re-issued the movie in a "collector's edition" with a book a couple years ago.

I have the original DVD but I don't think I've ever sat down to watch it.

On an interesting side note, I remember seeing a VIOLETS ARE BLUE, directed by Jack Fisk and starring Sissy Spacek, Kevin Kline and Bonnie Bedelia either on VHS or cable with a music credit to Jack Nitzsche instead of Patrick Williams.

James

 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 4:12 PM   
 By:   Southall   (Member)

My widescreen (region 2) disc says "Music by Mark Isham"

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2007 - 3:25 AM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

I heard about two minutes of his score from a recording from one of the concerts honoring Bernstein's music. I just loved those two minutes. It had a gorgeous "wide open spaces" theme that certainly would fit the fishing sequences. I would love to see this rejected score released in a CD. Please, please!!!

Hi Joan. You've got me REALLY curious now! Mark Isham's 'A RIVER RUNS THROUGH IT' is one of my favorite scores, and for me it's his very best. (I simply program the score cues and skip the pop standards). But your description of Elmer Bernstein's two minutes of music has got me intrigued! It does sound like the 'ideal' picture for him to have scored. I'd like to know if it's available as well, someday perhaps?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2007 - 6:36 AM   
 By:   The_Mark_of_Score-O   (Member)

"An Error Runs Through It."

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2007 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   SheriffJoe   (Member)

It is possible that Maestro Bernstein's estate might, at some point, release the rejected score to Redford's film. While they're at it, they should also consider releasing his rejected score to Journey of Natty Gann.

Although I admit, I'd rather have a legit release of Horner's replacement score for Natty Gann first.

Joe

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2007 - 2:05 PM   
 By:   Toby The Swede   (Member)

Yes, Bernstein's score was replaced by Isham's. And Isham was certainly credited in the theatrical release. Going back to the elements for DVD release, somebody goofed. Apparently, this same thing happened with the DVD for "Author! Author!," where Johnny Mandel is credited, though his score was replaced.

This reminded me of a book that I have, Paula Gosling`s Fair Game and on the front and back cover it is a picture and text that is taken from the film with the same name. As we all know Mark Mancina scored that film but on the credits at the back cover it clearly states that music was written by Michael Kamen

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2007 - 10:52 PM   
 By:   The_Mark_of_Score-O   (Member)

It is possible that Maestro Bernstein's estate might, at some point, release the rejected score to Redford's film. While they're at it, they should also consider releasing his rejected score to Journey of Natty Gann.

Although I admit, I'd rather have a legit release of Horner's replacement score for Natty Gann first.

Joe


Have you heard Elmer's rejected scores, Sheriff? If so, they'd have to be b**ts, wouldn't they?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2016 - 1:42 AM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

Here is the sequence that Joan refers to (above) - not quite two minutes, I wish it was! -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvGQE3V9GXQ

 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2016 - 3:10 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Did Bernstein actually record whole score for this?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2016 - 5:35 AM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

Did Bernstein actually record whole score for this?


Yes. In an interview with Don Black, broadcast on BBC Radio in September of 1994, the composer had this to say, "Redford was very strange indeed. We recorded the score; he was at the recording and everything was fine at the recording. And then in the dub, I wasn't present, he started to pick it apart and eventually replaced it. It was particularly annoying because he wasn't straightforward about the whole thing, because we had a lot of contact, it wasn't like we didn't have contact".

 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2016 - 5:40 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Great! So hopefully it CAN be released and perhaps even combined with more unused scores such as I LOVE TROUBLE, etc...

Now if only anyone cared...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2016 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

I wouldn't be surprised if this surfaced eventually. It does sound fun, even if Bernstein doesn't particularly seem to be covering new ground using that clip as a reference (of course, who knows what directions the full score might have gone in).

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2016 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

James, thanks so much for posting this short cue from his rejected score. I wish so much that the full score would be released. I love that main theme which has Bernstein's signature style and rhythms. I'd love to hear the other themes he composed for this movie. This release would take care of my holy grails.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2016 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

I would LOVE for this to come out. The glorious cue above strongly suggests that this is a classic Elmer Bernstein score, one that will be absolutely beloved by his fans once it's released. The day Bernstein fans get to experience this score will be a great day indeed.

 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2016 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I'd love to hear the rest, even if it's not quite like that one cue. But then again, I'm of the mind that all rejected Bernstein scores should be released. I'd be shocked if there was a mediocre one amongst them.

 
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