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 Posted:   Apr 8, 2007 - 2:29 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

After the Oscars and his NY concert I have valued every day we still have the maestro. I would like to think he might be around another twenty years. But, like leaving a will, I think there is a perfunctory item that should be addressed by Ennio. No other composer I know has such a heavy controversy going. When he broke up with his long term conductor he sited Nicolai wanted collaboration credit when no such collaboration took place. At the time I dismissed this as the scores that have co-composer credits on the album. But on the DVD of CORRI, UOMO CORRI (The sequel to THE BIG GUNDOWN) director Sergio Sollima states outright that the score credited solely to Bruno Nicolai was indeed written by Ennio Morricone and that the false title was for complicated tax purposes. Now we have someone who was there and was a witness to this, and should know. So comes flooding back all the rumours about how similar many of Nicolai's scores were to Morricone's style. Obviously everything after the break-up is Nicolai's. But there were a number of them (like DEFENSE DE SAVOIR) I had questions about. Obviously there were others on the soundstages that might be able to answer those questions, but because Nicolai was conducting, most of the time the only true arbiters were Morricone and the producer/director he worked with. Now Morricone may remain silent because he still might have to pay back taxes on this stuff. But I would think Italy would have their own statute of limitations addressing this. I would like to see this cleared up to attribute to Nicolai what is his and to Morricone what is his, and not have a revisionist book published in a hundred years that treats both their credits like mush.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2007 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Being that Nicolai isn't around to substantiate any of this, I wouldn't totally trust Morricone if he addressed the issue, if for no other reasons than the number of years that have gone by and the sheer number of films the two worked on.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2007 - 7:29 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

It's a complicated situation.
You wish there was a group of neutral people that would take care of the problem - yet this seems difficult as well because then you'd have two or more versions regarding the composing credits.

Alex

P.S: With more than 400 scores under Morricone's credit - does it really matter?wink.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2007 - 9:57 PM   
 By:   john mansell   (Member)

I spoke to singer peter boom about corri uomo corri he was there to record the song, he said the music was by Nicolai no doubt about it, but morricone conducted the score, what happened was Nicolai was conducting morricones PARTNER score so morricone returned the favour and directed for nicolai, peter said there is no doubt at all that corri uomo corri was written by nicolai,

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2007 - 10:03 PM   
 By:   john mansell   (Member)

I thought it was really bad of Morricone not to attend Nicolai,s funeral, ok they had fallen out over certain money related matters, but i thought it was heartless not to pay his respects. another thing is recently there have been releases of scores that are on the film credits credited to both morricone and nicolai ie IL MERCENARIO and on the LP the composing credit was Morricone/Nicolai, on the newcd the credit is music by Ennio Morricone, sems like he is trying to wipe away Nicolai,s memory.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2007 - 12:54 AM   
 By:   shadowman   (Member)

Which is the bigger controversy: Morricone/Nicolai,or Barry/Norman?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2007 - 1:04 AM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

Which is the bigger controversy: Morricone/Nicolai,or Barry/Norman?

Definitely the Barry/Norman controversy.
It deals with one of the most recognizable themes in film music history (i dare to say of the 20th century as well), where money-wise, the royalties involved probably double, if not triple the aforementioned Morricone/Nicolai situation.
Plus, it was taken to court as well.

Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2007 - 5:53 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

I spoke to singer peter boom about corri uomo corri he was there to record the song, he said the music was by Nicolai no doubt about it, but morricone conducted the score, what happened was Nicolai was conducting morricones PARTNER score so morricone returned the favour and directed for nicolai, peter said there is no doubt at all that corri uomo corri was written by nicolai,

Problem is Peter is simply the singer of the song. Every musician in the orchestra could attest to the same thing based on Nicolai's name being on the music. But if the deception is made for tax reasons, everything is made to look like Nicolai wrote it. But I can't see why Sollima would lie. It really is he who would be the one choosing the composer. This very real blurry area should be brought to light.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2007 - 6:56 AM   
 By:   malena   (Member)

I thought it was really bad of Morricone not to attend Nicolai,s funeral, ok they had fallen out over certain money related matters, but i thought it was heartless not to pay his respects. another thing is recently there have been releases of scores that are on the film credits credited to both morricone and nicolai ie IL MERCENARIO and on the LP the composing credit was Morricone/Nicolai, on the newcd the credit is music by Ennio Morricone, sems like he is trying to wipe away Nicolai,s memory.

Without any precise knowledge, I don't find it correct that you are writing false information on this board. The MERCENARIO LP and CD contains music ALL composed by Morricone only. Yes, also Nicolai provided some minor themes, that can be heard in the film, but these tracks were not on the original album. The tapes of the Nicolai part is available, so perhaps one day we get those additional themes on CD. In the movie also traditional music was used.

I would strongly recomend you to watch the extra interview with Morricone on the ANTICRISTO DVD. He speaks with great respect of Nicolai.
So I don't think fans like us should judge their relationship based on rumours or even on reminiscences of certain collaborators.

About CORRI UOMO CORRI: this title is also mentioned in Morriocne's biographer's (Sergio Miceli) book, so Morricone's involvement in this score is undoubtful. I don't think this music was entirely composed by Morricone. Probably he provided some themes, but then didn't consider this project very important and agreed to credit the whole thing to Nicolai. And to be honest, it is not one of the best western scores... but it's just a matter of taste.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2007 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   john mansell   (Member)



Without any precise knowledge, I don't find it correct that you are writing false information on this board. The MERCENARIO LP and CD contains music ALL composed by Morricone only. Yes, also Nicolai provided some minor themes, that can be heard in the film, but these tracks were not on the original album. The tapes of the Nicolai part is available, so perhaps one day we get those additional themes on CD. In the movie also traditional music was used.

then why did the original french Lp credit MUSIQUE DE ENNIO MORRICONE ET BRUNO NICOLAI. thats not false info unless UA got it wrong?????]

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2007 - 8:23 AM   
 By:   plindboe   (Member)

Is "Corri uomo corri" a good score, up there alongside other Morricone western scores in quality?

Peter smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2007 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Also,now I may be wrong but it's worth noting that every other Sollima film was done by EM(at least that's what I can make out based on my cds,etc).I think the first none EM Sollima score was a Sandokan film(which I think was maybe a TV movie) by G & M De Angelis,from around '76.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2007 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

Just to say the remastered GDM release of "Il Mercenario" sounds great. And didn't Bruno Nicolai conduct "The Good The Bad & The Ugly" ? All the soundtrack albums credit him, as do the main titles in the film, but the new(ish) expanded CD release credits the conducting to Morricone & makes no mention of Mr. Nicolai ??

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2007 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   john mansell   (Member)

Just to say the remastered GDM release of "Il Mercenario" sounds great. And didn't Bruno Nicolai conduct "The Good The Bad & The Ugly" ? All the soundtrack albums credit him, as do the main titles in the film, but the new(ish) expanded CD release credits the conducting to Morricone & makes no mention of Mr. Nicolai ??


another example of morricone blanking Nicolai, dis respectful i think.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2007 - 10:54 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

I thought it was really bad of Morricone not to attend Nicolai,s funeral, ok they had fallen out over certain money related matters, but i thought it was heartless not to pay his respects. another thing is recently there have been releases of scores that are on the film credits credited to both morricone and nicolai ie IL MERCENARIO and on the LP the composing credit was Morricone/Nicolai, on the newcd the credit is music by Ennio Morricone, sems like he is trying to wipe away Nicolai,s memory.

I don't know if you were a friend of the late maestro or just a fan of Bruno Nicolai. You seem to know more about the argument they had than we do. If it was money it must have been a pretty serious amount to break up a long friendship. It might be helpful to know more.

But for us out here this is what we know. Concerning the above statement, Nicolai is only credited on the French LP of THE MERCENARY as co-composer. The Italian and German one I have don't mention him. These came out before they broke up. So this can't be chalked up as some attempt of Morricone to eradicate Nicolai's name.
Nicolai's career begins with two co-composer credits with Nino Oliviero about the time Morricone begins his. During the time he conducts for Morricone he also conducts for other composers, who all seem to be friends or partners of Morricone (Piccioni, Carpi, etc.)After they break up his career practically stops and no other composer asks him to conduct again. Now, the important part, Nicolai's response to all this is absolute silence. The one interview I could find was Martin Van Wouw of MSV asking him about all this and for the most part Nicolai hemming and hawing and ending with "No Comment." If my career that was going gangbusters, stopped in it's tracks I would have a lot to say, unless something else was going on that might be a problem for all concerned. I didn't want to make a comment myself about this situation until Sollima said outright, "no, that was Morricone." Now there is a lot to be cleared up. Who wronged who?
I do know that Morricone is a man of great abilities. There are some unique scores he wrote where I literally said "Morricone wrote that?" And if he wanted to ghost write something he could change his technique to emulate anyone, including his friend, Bruno. Look what nice blending he did with Saint-Saens he did in DAYS OF HEAVEN.
This should be straightened out for the sake of both composers.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2007 - 11:10 PM   
 By:   JimWynorski   (Member)

Franco DeGemini, the harmonica player on countless spaghetti westerns, including the most famous one, ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST - told me this story personally when I visited him in Rome several years ago. Take it for what it's worth:

He told me that although Morricone gets conducting(along with composing) credit on ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST, it was in fact Bruno Nicolai who actually conducted the score while Morricone slept in a sound booth.

Also, regarding THE MERCENARY, the credit on the film gives both Nicolai and Morricone equal credit.

Regarding the break-up after MOSES, I'd also like to note that(in my humble opinion) never again did Morricone scores have that 'edgy sound' he got when Nicolai conducted.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2007 - 12:46 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


This should be straightened out for the sake of both composers.


But that's just it: Only one of them is around to "straighten it out." How would that come off at this late date? "In addition to the 400+ film scores I composed, let me add here that I also wrote many others that were previously attributed to the dead guy..."

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2007 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   David Anthony   (Member)

Henry, I have a large selection of Nicolai's music, and in my opinion his score's do not sound like Morricone. The element that make some of his music sound similar in style to Morricone's, (and this can be said of many of the Italian composers working in the mid - sixties to early seventies), is that they used the same musicians, orchestra's and choir (Alessandroni). Nicolai has his own clear style/personality in his music, and this has become even clearer with all those great Digitmovies releases. No way would I associate CORRI UOMO CORRI with Morricone, (despite what Sollima says), or DEFENSE DE SAVOIR.
For the early De Martino films he gave Nicolai co-composer status, but Morricone wrote his music and Nicolai his. On THE MERCENARY things are not so clear, maybe EM gave Nicolai co-composer status in some markets to help Nicolai out, but the music sounds like all Morricone to me.

Dave

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2007 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Henry, I have a large selection of Nicolai's music, and in my opinion his score's do not sound like Morricone.


Ever hear the Case of the Bloody Iris?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2007 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   Gary Radovich   (Member)

Franco De Gemini told me the same story that Jim mentioned....although it might just have been for those particular sessions where Franco performed and not the entire scoring sessions. Nicolai at one time was highly regarded as a composer and Morricone for his conducting/arranging abilities. But the drop off in Nicolai's output after the schism with Morricone was strange indeed...

 
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