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 Posted:   May 12, 2007 - 12:39 AM   
 By:   solarwnz   (Member)

Not sure if this has ever been answered before but...

Does anyone here know the name of the composer(De Wolfe?)/piece of the fanfare music from Monty Python and The Holy Grail? It's the music heard at the start of this scene...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs&mode=related&search=


Not the Neil Innes stuff but the tracked in library music. This search has boggled my mind for years! Internet searches have turned up zilch. Help!

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2007 - 12:51 AM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

One of my "holy grails" (haha) is the library score for this film. I LOVE the "King Arthur" theme featured here. De Wolfe is of course the name of the music library which Gilliam used for this film (and Jabberwocky, & partially Life of Brian).

Apparently Niel Innes had scored the film completely with authentic medieval instruments, and they they threw it out in favor of the larger than life / serious score (the kind which Elmer would standardize a couple of years later for Animal House and Airplane)

I wish Trunk records could put together a Monty Python De Wolfe disc, like their Dawn of the Dead cd. Here's hoping!

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2007 - 2:06 AM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

Wait a minute...
Are you telling me that "Dewolfe" is not an actual PERSON, but rather, a music library?!?!?!

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2007 - 2:28 AM   
 By:   Sir Patrick Spens   (Member)

I remember how by dumb luck I came across the music they used for the Whicker World scetch (on a Laurie Johnson CD) and for the Money Program theme music (which turned out to be a Lalo Schifrin-arranged version of the theme to The Carpetbaggers by Elmer Bernstein with Jimmy Smith on organ).

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2007 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   JimWare   (Member)

The DeWolfe Music Library:
http://www.dewolfe.co.uk/

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2007 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   ian642002   (Member)

Ni!

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2007 - 7:45 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Being a huge Python fan - when I first saw this film aged about 14 I was a bit perplexed.

Now you may recall that Python credits would often be some of the funniest things in their films: eg: it would rabbit on about mooses or llamas or some such. I thought - and this is a bit mad - but that the De Wolfe bit was a p***-take of Frank De Vol - who used to often sign his credit, music by De Vol, on its own, remember? So I thought De Wolfe was a play on that.

This was made further worse because one of the actors who used to do a lot with Neil Innes and often appeared in Python stuff and Innes's Rutland Weekend TV show was a funny little bloke with a nasally voice called Henry Wolfe - so I even wondered if he had done the music!!!

a mate, who had tried to get the music, explained they were a library company a year or two later. Im pretty certain the music appears on the original LP soundtrack, with all the sketches, which, presumably, is now on CD?

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2007 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

I would love to have the DeWolfe tracks that were used in Mønti Pythøn ik den Høli Gräilen. I've skimmed their website, does anybody know how one would go about locating these particular tracks?

The soundtrack is a dialogue album consisting of scenes from the film (which include music, yes, but it is not isolated, nor in stereo) and original bits recorded by Python to round out the LP. While dialogue soundtracks have become somewhat less prevalent since the rise of home video, the original material on this record happened to be pretty hysterical (including the "Executive Announcement" and a professional logician deconstructing the "How Do You Tell a Witch" argument).

The other two Python features had soundtrack albums that were similar, but with less original material on them.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2007 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   JJH   (Member)

and that LP is out on CD, or was. I've no idea if it's still in print or anything, but I found it in a used bin.

very funny stuff.

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2007 - 5:58 PM   
 By:   dogplant   (Member)

I would love to have the DeWolfe tracks that were used in Mønti Pythøn ik den Høli Gräilen. I've skimmed their website, does anybody know how one would go about locating these particular tracks?

I skimmed the DeWolfe site, too, and then wrote to the studio at Shropshire House in London, including Solar's earlier YouTube URL to illustrate my question. Unfortunately, it seems the Python Grail cues are no longer part of the DeWolfe library. The person who wrote back to me could not identify the composer and indicated that the commercial soundtrack release, which contains the complete dialogue and effects tracks mixed in with the music, is the only official way of obtaining this music. Whoever composed it.

Ni!

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2007 - 6:17 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

a funny little bloke with a nasally voice called Henry Wolfe - so I even wondered if he had done the music!!!

Henry De Wolfe! The mind boggles. big grin Henry Woolf is a terrific actor (very funny guy) and director. He's a childhood friend of Harold Pinter and holds the distinction of directing Pinter's first play. I'd love to think he was De Wolfe... but indeed no... wink

On another note, there was a piece of library music used in the Python TV series - light classical pastoral. It appeared in a Gilliam cartoon about - hmmm how can I explain it? - a half-man half-grub creature that crawls along a leaf making grumbling noises, shuffles into a bed and reawakens suddenly as a glitzy neon butterfly. Got that? No I'm not drunk. But I've always loved that piece of music. smile I'd like to track it down. Any ideas?

Talk about a long shot!

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2007 - 3:15 AM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

I remember that Gilliam cartoon very well! the "caterpillar" emerges from his "sleep" looking like a game show host!big grinbig grin I always love the music behind the beginning of tha cartoon! I always thought it was a classical piece!

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2007 - 3:16 AM   
 By:   Jim Cleveland   (Member)

Hmmmmm.....
Perhaps "Dewolfe" was actually BILLY Dewolfe! "Messy - Messy - MESSY!"big grinbig grinbig grinbig grinbig grinbig grin

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2007 - 6:23 AM   
 By:   Emyrs   (Member)

Anyone able to track down the Cue Sheet for this film? I am sure the info will be there.

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2009 - 6:15 AM   
 By:   John-73   (Member)

Anyone able to track down the Cue Sheet for this film? I am sure the info will be there.

Tracking down all the De-Wolf library music is definately a (pun intended) Holy Grail of movie music to me. I just love that main theme which is played throughout the film.

I did stumble upon this thread which lists the tracks used and the original LPs they appeared on:

http://www.verygoodplus.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6170

IMDB comes in handy too:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071853/soundtrack

I don't suppose anybody out there has these do they?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2009 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

and that LP is out on CD, or was. I've no idea if it's still in print or anything, but I found it in a used bin.

very funny stuff.


Here's the LP cover:

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2011 - 9:00 PM   
 By:   gmontag451   (Member)

I hate to resurrect a four-year-old thread, but...

Using the post referenced above by JohnM, as well as other threads, I did a little further searching and came up with the following list. I also added some of this info to the Wiki page to fill out what had been started there:


In addition to songs written by Python regular Neil Innes, several pieces of music were licenced from De Wolfe Music Library. Many of these tracks are available for licensing to industry professionals, but unfortunately are not available for soundtrack enthusiasts to purchase. These include:

Ice Floe 9, composed by Pierre Arvay. Used during the beginning titles.
Countrywide, composed by Anthony Mawer. Used during the beginning titles after the first titlers are sacked.
Homeward Bound, composed by Jack Trombey. Used as King Arthur's heroic theme.
The Flying Messenger, composed by Oliver Armstrong. Played during Sir Lancelot's misguided storming of Swamp Castle.
The Promised Land, composed by Stanley Black. Used in the scene where Arthur approaches the castle on the island.
Starlet in the Starlight, composed by Kenneth Essex. Briefly used for Prince Herbert's attempt to express himself in song.
Love Theme, composed by Peter Knight. Also used briefly for Prince Herbert.


Two other tracks have been mentioned, but I don't recognize them:
Desperate Moment (Kenneth Essex) Possibly used when Lancelot crosses the Bridge of Death?
Circle of Danger (Brian Holmes) ?


Additional references listed several tracks I could not find and compare:
Wide Horizon (unknown composer, from album #HMC 509)
Ode To Edward (unknown composer, from album #DW/LP 3237)
In the Shadows No.3 (Paul Ferris)
Magenta (Roger Webb)
Big Country (Keith Papworth)

I hope this will be useful to someone!

Michael

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2011 - 9:25 PM   
 By:   gmontag451   (Member)

As an aside, De Wolfe put out a CD of tracks used in Monty Python's television show. It's available pretty cheaply as a download on Amazon and iTunes.

It seems odd to me that they would go to such lengths for the show album, and not persue a film album. Certainly they would have a much better return on an album of tracks used in the various Python films?

Michael

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2011 - 9:40 PM   
 By:   raffster   (Member)



not quite what you're all looking for, but this is quite a nice arrangement!

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2011 - 12:58 AM   
 By:   Julian K   (Member)

Two other tracks have been mentioned, but I don't recognize them:
Desperate Moment (Kenneth Essex) Possibly used when Lancelot crosses the Bridge of Death?


Desperate Moment was also used as the theme to The Two Ronnies serial The Phantom Raspberry Blower of Old London town.

You can hear it at the beginning of this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nyE1DFNmfY

 
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