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 Posted:   Jul 6, 2001 - 10:09 PM   
 By:   David Newman Rules   (Member)

I`ve been listening to 102 Dalmatians, Nutty
Professor 2 and Bedazzled the whole day
and to me it seems, Newman has returned to
his quirky style of the late 80s/early 90s
that I love so much.
Although I was a little bit disappointed
by the lack of great themes in Dalmatians
and Professor.
I was just wondering, which Newman scores
are the most favorite among my fellow
board members.

My Top 10 list :

1-Paradise
2-My Father the Hero
3-Flintstones
4-Coneheads
5-Undercover Blues
6-Hoffa
7-Freshman
8-Other Peoples Money
9-Mr. Destiny
10-Sandlot

I only hope, that with the new re-use fee
arrangement more of his stuff gets released.
It`s absolutely frustrating to see, that almost
every garbage (recorded in Hollywood with
an expensive union orchestra) even of stupid
B-pictures get released but almost nothing by
David Newman.
No one can tell me, that Mr. Townson at
Varese made more money with some of those
horrible stuff by Randy (yuk) Edelman
(for example Leave it to Beaver-terrible!)
than he would have for example with Sandlot
(no re use fees by the way because recorded
in Utah!) or My Father the Hero (which is a
short but very pleasant score and would have
made a great album combined with some
of the enjoyable carribian source pieces.

Anyway, I continue to dream.
Maybe one day...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2001 - 10:15 PM   
 By:   Spacehunter   (Member)

I don't have many of his scores, but I do own and enjoy GALAXY QUEST and THE PHANTOM. I wouldn't mind having THE SANDLOT, though, but the boot is a little to expensive, or was the last time I saw it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2001 - 10:41 PM   
 By:   David Newman Rules   (Member)

Hi Spacehunter,

I recommend Mr. Destiny, Operation Dumbo
Drop and Brokedown Palace.
They are all still available and show
Newman`s diversity and abilities.
Although the Dumbo Drop only has 25 minutes
of score and some of the best pieces are missing.
And even if Sandlot is a bit expensive, it`s
a great score combining all kinds of
styles (Morricone western stuff, Ry Cooder
kind of guitar solos, great uplifting
big orchestral americana and even a funny
quote of Goldsmith`s The Burbs).
It might sound a bit strange, but somehow
I wish Newman wasn`t such a succesful
composer who is that much in demand, because
otherwise he would produce more promo CDs,
but he just doesn`t have to.
I guess the directors call him and if necessary he simply makes a CDr of the requiered stuff.
But on the other hand, Christopher Young
has become an A-composer as well and he
still likes to have promo CDs.
Oh shit, I start dreaming again...

NP : Meet The Applegates

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2001 - 11:16 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I have this coupled disc with FIREBIRDS and GROSS ANATOMY that I really enjoy, especially the former with its 80's militaristic drum loops and quirky melodies.

THE PHANTOM has also been a (not-so-guilty) pleasure of mine for a long time - not only because I'm a huge fan of the original comic book series, but also because of the catchy adventure feel of the score itself, and the main theme in particular (used in countless trailers, such as MASK OF ZORRO). The film was rather poor, in my opinion, since it departed radically from the comic book "atmosphere". And Billy Zane as The Phantom? Come on.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2001 - 12:20 AM   
 By:   David Newman Rules   (Member)

Firebirds is indeed a great action score.
I not only like the orchestral parts but
also the syntheziser stuff, which also
has a distinctive Newman touch (this style
first appeared in Heathers).
David Newman, like his brother by the way
is one of the composers who uses the electronic sounds in a way they are supposed
to be used : not to mimic the orchestra,
but to add something really new and deliberately non-acoustic/orchestral to
the symphonic sound (Coneheads and
Galaxy Quest are good examples for this
approach.
But with so many of Newman`s scores, also
in the case of Firebirds, he composed
first class music for a horrible picture.
And not only that, his score was mixed on
such a low level, you barely could hear
it.
And his score was the only aspect of this turkey that had any value.
By the way, just try to watch Little Monsters. Probably one of the worst movies
ever made. Only saved by Newman`s payful
score.
Gross Anatomy is a very enjoyable score
as well. With the Bach like touches it
perfectly underscores the academic nature
of the film.
In a way, it`s Newman`s Paper Chase.
By the way, he composed a very similar
score for another very mediocre picture :
Talent Foe The Game, because he only had
10 days to write the music.
But on the other hand, James Horner has
copied himself not once but about 74 times.
So I gues David Newman was entitled to do
so once.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2001 - 12:20 AM   
 By:   Spacehunter   (Member)

I guess I'm one of the only ones who enjoyed THE PHANTOM. I loved the style of the film, the way it reminded me of a Saturday matinee serial, the same way THE SHADOW did. But yes, that theme was put to great use in the trailer for THE MASK OF ZORRO. Too bad the movie itself wasn't as good as the trailer, though.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2001 - 1:02 AM   
 By:   David Newman Rules   (Member)

Coming back to my original question.

I am wondering, if any other board member
has his or her personal David Newman
Top 10 or maybe Top 5 ?

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2001 - 1:22 AM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

Well, I only have a top three:

HOFFA
I LOVE TROUBLE
THE PHANTOM

...but that's because that's all the David Newman I've got. Though I am expecting GALAXY QUEST very soon.

NP: IN TOO DEEP (Christopher Young; score album)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2001 - 1:56 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Spacehunter, I also enjoyed PHANTOM as a regular adventure movie. No doubt about that.

It was just a bit too campy to fit in with the darker, more mysterious and "intellectual" atmosphere of the comic book saga that I loved so much. I mean: a cheesy purple dress (instead of the regular, dark blue one), the feminine and muscle-less Billy Zane, silly oneliners and too many bright colors.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2001 - 3:30 AM   
 By:   Dan Hobgood   (Member)

GALAXY QUEST--one of the ten most effective scores of the last several years.

DH

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2001 - 3:42 AM   
 By:   Spacehunter   (Member)

I was never familiar with THE PHANTOM comic strip, so I didn't know how it compared to the original. How popular is the character over there? I read something when the film came out that there was an entire theme park dedicated to The Phantom in Sweden or someplace like that.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2001 - 4:53 AM   
 By:   Monterey Jack   (Member)

Anyone else notice that Newman's action theme to The Phantom (heard most prominently in "The Escape") is highly similar to John Williams' theme to the Amazing Stories TV series?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2001 - 5:22 AM   
 By:   imagin8r   (Member)

i'm still learning about the worthy mr. newman.

but he did three of my favorite scores:

galaxy quest
the phantom
i love trouble

it's been suggested on other boards that newman would be a nice choice to score a paramount star trek movie, since he did such a good job capturing the flavor in galaxy quest. of course, mr. berman will have his galactic muzak instead.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2001 - 7:23 AM   
 By:   Spacehunter   (Member)

I have noticed the similarities between THE PHANTOM and AMAZING STORIES. I found the episode "Mummy Daddy" on a tape one day looking for something else and heard the theme. Later that night, when I tried to hum the theme again, I started out humming AMAZING STORIES and never realized I had segued into THE PHANTOM. http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/smile.gif">

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2001 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   Dr Know   (Member)

1. Hoffa -- Newman at his best
2. Matilda -- quirky, melodic, beautiful
3. Galaxy Quest -- catchy stuff
4. Anastasia -- orchestral parts awesome, songs palatable
5. Operation Dumbo Drop -- the first thing I did when I got my cdr recorder was to copy this without the pop songs on every other track
6. The Phantom
7. Bowfinger -- "Fedex Delivers" is bombastic orchestral fun

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2001 - 7:58 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I always thought two fun thematic scores of Newman's were The Sandlot and The Mighty Ducks. I enjoy The Phantom and Galaxy Quest and adore Hoffa. Just rented Malone last week and liked the music in it. I thought it sounded like a precursor in themes and orchestration to Hoffa. I also like his winsome underscore to Boys On The Side.

I also need to hear more of his work to become familiar with his compositions.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2001 - 3:39 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

No mention of his great Bill & Ted scores?

Definitely on my 'must buy' list this year!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2001 - 4:55 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Spacehunter, you are right in that "The Phantom" is very popular over here (Scandinavia). More so, in fact, that in its birthplace US. I not only like the original Lee Falk strip, but also the strip by swedish artist (that's right, I label "cartooning" an ARTFORM!) Hans Lindahl. Amazing details and realistic contours. I particularly love his "Phantom Chronicles" stories. I've never been very fond of the somewhat simplistic style of Jaime Valvée, though.

You are also right in that there is some sort of PHANTOM theme park in Sweden. I've never been there, though.

I remember when I was a kid, I always wanted to see a PHANTOM feature film (there was only this 2 minute b/w animated short that existed at that time) - and if no one would make it, I would do so myself when I grew up! Adorably naive. Imagine my disappointment, then, when the film premiered a couple of years ago, and it was nothing like I had expected; nothing like the comic book strip. I was embarrased, to say the least. But then again, I had let the expectations grow to high.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2001 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   David Newman Rules   (Member)

I`m glad to see that I`m not the only one
who likes the music of David Newman.

Indeed, Hoffa is quite similar to Malone.
I call this style Newman`s "dry" americana.
Malone was one of Newman`s first scores and
already then he showed a lot of his trademarks.
He used a much more pastorale americana in
Paradise.

Mighty Ducks is the perfect sports score with
the brilliant fanfare like main theme.

Boys On The Side is also interesting.
The film doesn`t have a lot of score, but what there is has depth and meaning.
The country like theme (either played by
solo piano or solo guitar) segues perfectly
between the songs and the tragic and sad
"aids" theme is haunting.

About the 2 Bill & Ted scores.
Everybody seems to prefer the second part.
Indeed, the main theme is gorgeous, but I
somehow prefer the score to the first part
with the beautiful theme for the princess.

Some other recommandations :

Disorganized crime
Great bluesy passages to underscore the rural
countryside of Montana.

Meet The Applegates
A mix of sweet americana to demonstrate the
innocence of small town america and inventive
percussive rhythms for the crazy humanlike
insects from south america.

Don`t Tell Mom The Babysitter Is Dead
Has a nice and appropriate quote from
Psycho`s main title when the kids try to hide
the dead babysitter.

Throw Momma From The Train
One of the wildest Newman scores.
A bit Herrman like.
Fits Devito`s vision perfectly as does

War Of The Roses
Nobody ever combined a waltz and a tango
like Newman in this score.
Just listen to the main and the end title.

1001 Nights
A spectacular and very modern classical composition.

Sunrise
Almost a symphony.
The score to the reissue of Murnau`s silent
film.

And of course the 3 cartoon scores :

Brave Little Toaster
Duck Tales : The movie
Rover Dangerfield

Will someone PLEASE!!!!!!! produce some
Newman CDs in the style of Elfman`s
Music For A Darkened Theatre.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2001 - 7:11 AM   
 By:   D.E   (Member)

quote:
Originally posted by David Newman Rules:
I`m glad to see that I`m not the only one
who likes the music of David Newman.

Let's face it, what is there to dislike about Newmans music?

Answer: NOTHING!

Dean.
Indeed, Hoffa is quite similar to Malone.
I call this style Newman`s "dry" americana.
Malone was one of Newman`s first scores and
already then he showed a lot of his trademarks.
He used a much more pastorale americana in
Paradise.

Mighty Ducks is the perfect sports score with
the brilliant fanfare like main theme.

Boys On The Side is also interesting.
The film doesn`t have a lot of score, but what there is has depth and meaning.
The country like theme (either played by
solo piano or solo guitar) segues perfectly
between the songs and the tragic and sad
"aids" theme is haunting.

About the 2 Bill & Ted scores.
Everybody seems to prefer the second part.
Indeed, the main theme is gorgeous, but I
somehow prefer the score to the first part
with the beautiful theme for the princess.

Some other recommandations :

Disorganized crime
Great bluesy passages to underscore the rural
countryside of Montana.

Meet The Applegates
A mix of sweet americana to demonstrate the
innocence of small town america and inventive
percussive rhythms for the crazy humanlike
insects from south america.

Don`t Tell Mom The Babysitter Is Dead
Has a nice and appropriate quote from
Psycho`s main title when the kids try to hide
the dead babysitter.

Throw Momma From The Train
One of the wildest Newman scores.
A bit Herrman like.
Fits Devito`s vision perfectly as does

War Of The Roses
Nobody ever combined a waltz and a tango
like Newman in this score.
Just listen to the main and the end title.

1001 Nights
A spectacular and very modern classical composition.

Sunrise
Almost a symphony.
The score to the reissue of Murnau`s silent
film.

And of course the 3 cartoon scores :

Brave Little Toaster
Duck Tales : The movie
Rover Dangerfield

Will someone PLEASE!!!!!!! produce some
Newman CDs in the style of Elfman`s
Music For A Darkened Theatre.


 
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