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Mar 6, 2008 - 3:07 PM
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Ray Worley
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I've really been enjoying the new Varese CDs, but especially "The Caretakers". I have had the AVA LP for years and always felt it was one of Elmer's best if overlooked jazzy scores.
On first listen to this new CD, I thought I was just hearing unedited versions and new music not on the LP. I decided to get out my CDR conversion of the LP and make a comparison and realized that the LP was a re-recording. The liner notes, although mentioning the LP, do not remark on its being a re-recording.
What's more, the re-recording is significantly different in arrangements, orchestration, even tempi on some cues. I know re-recordings for LP are common but I thought I would get this out there for discussion since there is, to me, a fairly big difference between the two versions. I like both equally and it's nice to have them both, but don't get rid of your LPS if you have them.
I wonder why Varese chose not to include the album version as they did on "The Fury". Perhaps economics or rights issues. I guess if it was choice between having "The Young Doctors" or the album version of "Caretakers" I would agree with their choice. On the other hand, I wouldn't have objected to paying a little more for two CDs.
Varese made the choice not to release the album version of "The Great Escape" along with their original soundtrack and I agree with that. The album presentation was just not significantly different from the OST other than being a smaller orchestra..it was pretty faithful but the OST is just so much better. "The Fury" is an example like "The Caretakers" though where the album version is its own unique listening experience. I kind of wish they had taken the same route with "The Caretakers", but I understand that economically the demand does not match that of a John Williams genre score.
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I've really been enjoying the new Varese CDs, but especially "The Caretakers". I have had the AVA LP for years and always felt it was one of Elmer's best if overlooked jazzy scores.
On first listen to this new CD, I thought I was just hearing unedited versions and new music not on the LP. I decided to get out my CDR conversion of the LP and make a comparison and realized that the LP was a re-recording. The liner notes, although mentioning the LP, do not remark on its being a re-recording.
What's more, the re-recording is significantly different in arrangements, orchestration, even tempi on some cues. I know re-recordings for LP are common but I thought I would get this out there for discussion since there is, to me, a fairly big difference between the two versions. I like both equally and it's nice to have them both, but don't get rid of your LPS if you have them.
I wonder why Varese chose not to include the album version as they did on "The Fury". Perhaps economics or rights issues. I guess if it was choice between having "The Young Doctors" or the album version of "Caretakers" I would agree with their choice. On the other hand, I wouldn't have objected to paying a little more for two CDs.
Varese made the choice not to release the album version of "The Great Escape" along with their original soundtrack and I agree with that. The album presentation was just not significantly different from the OST other than being a smaller orchestra..it was pretty faithful but the OST is just so much better. "The Fury" is an example like "The Caretakers" though where the album version is its own unique listening experience. I kind of wish they had taken the same route with "The Caretakers", but I understand that economically the demand does not match that of a John Williams genre score.
I took this to listen to in the car this a.m. with ZAPATA, and when we were sent home due to inclement weather this afternoon (Snow Day tomorrow!) I listened to it on the way home. I KNEW it was the original tracks when I played the main title, which is great, BTB. I had the old AVA lp, and it was in Stereo. Like most lp's back then, it was a rerecording.
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Why LP - the AVA was released on CD and sounds pretty good.
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I'm sure it does. I just don't have one.
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I'm sure it does. I just don't have one.
What he said... I missed out on that CD release and it seems to be selling for $50 and up. My LP/CDR transfer works just fine thanks.
The beauty part is, we have access to all these lp's and can dub em as we see fit. I'd use one of those little "Sticking my tongue out" facies, but I don't see a need to.
Hey, I'm not CRITICIZING you or anyone else for being asleep at the wheel when the CD came out, for not knowing there even was such a CD when it came out, for letting it go out of print and even then not buying it when it could be had for a song - I'm not CRITICIZING the fact that you have to put your LP on a turntable and transfer it and that you don't have the score that came with The Caretakers (Baby, The Rain Must Fall), really I'm not, really, really, really.  See, and I'm not even sticking my tongue out.
I can't wait to get The Caretakers - one of my favorite of all Elmer's main titles - they wouldn't even know HOW to write such a dynamic, thrilling title sequence today. I should have it by Monday or Tuesday.
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LOL. Yes, a super main title theme it is. I must admit, the cd release of the Ava lp fell through the cracks back in my "pissed off at the demise of the LP" phase. Oh, well.
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I'm surprised there isn't a low-quantity alert for Viva Zapata!/The 13th Letter yet (or at least there isn't one advertised on Varese's site). I know there are 500 more copies available of that than there are of the Bernstein and Newman titles from the same batch, but still.
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Gone now. Sold out.
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I love this release. THE CARETAKERS is excellent, and I particularly enjoy the "Young Doctors Waltz" -- an absolutely gorgeous track.
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Just received my copy this past weekend and have been revelling in it. Two wonderful Elmer scores from his peak period, one never before available before in any form. Not far from Heaven at all.
One small correction, however, to Jerry McCulley's liner notes. He refers to the LP with these words: "...the composer's own Ava Records imprint..." Actually, Ava was Fred Astaire's record company, named after his lovely daughter. (And later changed to Choreo). (The record company, not the daughter.)
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Just got mine and am playing it now - what a great 60s Elmer score. I've been in Elmerland all week, what with watching the first season DVDs of The Rookies.
I wouldn't be without the Ava (on CD), but this is a wnole other kettle of fish. I do not, however, think the orchestra on the soundtrack version is significantly larger - The Caretakers was a low-budget film and I'd guess the orchestra was similar for both recordings. They didn't use big orchestras for these kinds of films back then - it's not like now.
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