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 Posted:   Apr 6, 2008 - 2:06 AM   
 By:   MornNB   (Member)

I edited together a few clips of the movie with his music.
I think the movie has definitely been reedited some what since he scored it, so I had to do some editing of the music too, and I used some bits from Dragonslayer to help with space station docking... as there's only 2 minutes worth of music for that 6 minute scene! But I think it worked out well.

Main title and dawn of man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06tfTi_I4ns

Night terrors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouKn-dMgKWw

End of dawn of man plus space station docking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=256NgMW4tQw

Space talk and trip to moon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fKVgcRcmr0

Moon rocket bus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tftdohlt_iw

This pretty much covers all of the movie that North scored. smile Shame he never was able to score it all.

I think the music works extremely well with the film. Start of the dawn of man is like a North/Kubrick Koyaanisqatsi, 13 years before that movie.
The first kill and space station docking really benefit from North's music over what is in the film, I think.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2008 - 6:03 AM   
 By:   pooter   (Member)

That's cool. Thanks for all the effort!

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2008 - 6:19 AM   
 By:   robertmro   (Member)

Thanks.

This is very informative, but it's a completely different movie with Alex North's music, which shows the power of music.

I love Mr. North's score but I con see why Kubrick stayed with the classical tracks.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2008 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   Hank V   (Member)

This only shows that no matter what music is in it the film remains one long bore from an overrated Kubrick.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2008 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   franz_conrad   (Member)

Some other recent versions of this thread:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=48381&forumID=1&archive=0

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=39776&forumID=1&archive=1

I think there was one cue where Kubrick should have kept the North track, 'Moon Landing'. Somehow it works a bit better than the reprise of Blue Danube, though unfortunately the North track only runs half the sequence. 'The Foraging' is also brilliant, though the sequence works better in silence for the sake of the appearance of Ligeti 5-7 minutes later.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2008 - 7:08 PM   
 By:   MornNB   (Member)

Ironically the liner notes of the album say the moon landing sequence was the one Kubrick hated the most.
Note I used the alternate for the foraging in the first kill scene, and I think the end of it fits that scene too well to not be meant for it.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2008 - 7:13 PM   
 By:   franz_conrad   (Member)

Ironically the liner notes of the album say the moon landing sequence was the one Kubrick hated the most.

That was the 'Moon Rocket Bus'. wink

It's interesting you prefer 'Dawn of Man' to 'The Foraging'. It's a bit insistent on activity that's non-existent for my liking.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2008 - 9:45 PM   
 By:   Dan Hobgood   (Member)

I can't emphasize enough how much I prefer North's contributions--especially the "Main Title," the propulsive, impressionistic-like style of which seems more suited to a futuristic sci-fi film. [Not to mention that the cues make for a more coherent whole, a most important factor.]

DH

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2008 - 9:46 PM   
 By:   MornNB   (Member)

The cue, moon rocket bus, seems to be for the moon landing scene. It fits the scene very well in timing and emotion.


t's interesting you prefer 'Dawn of Man' to 'The Foraging'. It's a bit insistent on activity that's non-existent for my liking.


I never said that, what I said is that the end of dawn of man fits the first kill scene to a T and I don't think that can be accidental, so I used it there.
The Foraging is actually a great piece of film music, as I said earlier it's pretty much a North/Kubrick Koyaanisqatsi. It has a similar level of impact and originality, for portraying a landscape on film.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2008 - 9:50 PM   
 By:   franz_conrad   (Member)

The Moon Rocket bus is definitely the scene where they're flying over the surface of the moon, which is covered in the final film by Ligeti's 'Lux Aeterna'. Just to be sure we're not talking cross purposes, I'm talking about the sequence which covers the flight from the space station to the moon colony - accompanied by 'Blue Danube' in the film. The liner notes from Intrada are clear on that.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2008 - 9:53 PM   
 By:   franz_conrad   (Member)


I never said that, what I said is that the end of dawn of man fits the first kill scene to a T and I don't think that can be accidental, so I used it there.
The Foraging is actually a great piece of film music, as I said earlier it's pretty much a North/Kubrick Koyaanisqatsi. It has a similar level of impact and originality, for portraying a landscape on film.


Ah, interesting. I did misunderstand you.

Years before I heard the original tracks, I tried synchronising Goldsmith's recording of North's music to the film, and I tried the alternate track for the second scene where the apes fight at the waterhole. I synched it in the same scene as you did, but with different reference points. (I also used another part of it in the 'Bones' sequence.) It fit pretty well, so I was surprised to learn that it was an alternate for 'The Foraging', a scene it doesn't really fit at all.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2008 - 9:57 PM   
 By:   MornNB   (Member)


The Moon Rocket bus is definitely the scene where they're flying over the surface of the moon, which is covered in the final film by Ligeti's 'Lux Aeterna'. Just to be sure we're not talking cross purposes


I don't think so, that cue doesn't really fit that scene when I tried it, it really working for the moon landing though.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2008 - 9:58 PM   
 By:   MornNB   (Member)


Years before I heard the original tracks, I tried synchronising Goldsmith's recording of North's music to the film, and I tried the alternate track for the second scene where the apes fight at the waterhole. I synched it in the same scene as you did, but with different reference points. (I also used another part of it in the 'Bones' sequence.) It fit pretty well, so I was surprised to learn that it was an alternate for 'The Foraging', a scene it doesn't really fit at all.


It's entirely possible that North wrote it to be used for either scene, to leave it up to Kubrick to pick.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2008 - 10:13 PM   
 By:   franz_conrad   (Member)


I don't think so, that cue doesn't really fit that scene when I tried it, it really working for the moon landing though.


It's been a while since I've watched the film with the North score edited in, but from memory the 'Moon Rocket Bus' goes with the Moon Rocket bus scene in the following way:

- Begins with energetic strings and ghostly soprano as the ship shoots over the surface of the moon in a series of exterior shots;
- Soprano fades and more Ligeti-esque choir comes in as we cut to the interior of the rocket and track back into the rear area.
- Hint of optimism in the dialogue scoring, with a solo horn part bestowing a subtle glow on the endeavors of these men.
- The soprano returns on the cut back to shuttle exterior.
- North employs interesting clusters for the descent of the rocket to a landing position. His notation here called for some very unusual performance tricks, from memory.
- The cue should end as the Ligeti requiem segues in.

If you're using an NTSC dvd, you should be able to sync the cue up immediately following the conference room scene on the moon and observe these points of synchronisation.

Again, Intrada's notes are very clear on this point, and I'd be surprised if they were so far off given Nick Redman's history with the project.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2008 - 10:40 PM   
 By:   MornNB   (Member)

Possibly, I just don't think the music works with the dialogue scene in the moon rocket well. If it were up to me I'd leave that part unscored.
But that same music works great for the moon landing scene.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2008 - 11:06 PM   
 By:   franz_conrad   (Member)

Possibly, I just don't think the music works with the dialogue scene in the moon rocket well. If it were up to me I'd leave that part unscored.


Well, as you say, Kubrick hated it. wink
(North scored another dialogue scene, of course - Heywood Floyd's introduction to the international space station.)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2008 - 5:17 AM   
 By:   Les Jepson   (Member)

The "Night Terrors" music is coupled to the wrong piece of film, which shows the morning after.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2008 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   MornNB   (Member)

Yes I know, but hehe.
I think night terrors works better for the monolith scene.
I did kind of play director with these clips. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2008 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   Hellstrom   (Member)

Yes I know, but hehe.
I think night terrors works better for the monolith scene.
I did kind of play director with these clips. wink


Yes, it's perfectly fine that you play "director" with your own ideas of how these scenes should have been scored. However, you ought to make it clear to readers, and viewers of your clips, that these are your own edits, and have nothing to do with the reality of how these scenes were actually scored. For anyone wanting accuracy, the Intrada booklet notates exactly how it was done, and where the music should be placed.

 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2008 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

Gotta love revisionist who think they can improve upon one of the world greatest directors.

 
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