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 Posted:   Apr 27, 2008 - 3:26 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Cyril Ornadel and the Starlight Symphony Orchestra had a recording of selections from "Gone With the Wind" released on MGM Records (S/E-3954) and Metro Records (M/S-613) in the 1960s. When MCA issued their LP and CD re-release of "Gone With the Wind" in the mid-1980s (MCA/D-39063), does anyone know what performance they issued? The Osborne guide states that it was the Ornadel performance.

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2008 - 4:32 AM   
 By:   shicorp   (Member)

I think this recording has never been made available on CD. The Polydor version contains selections from the Steiner sessions...

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2008 - 3:15 PM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)


We talked about this album in an earlier thread Bob.
You can find it (including pictures) on:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=30136&forumID=1&archive=1

Enjoy !

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2008 - 11:28 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

We talked about this album in an earlier thread Bob.
You can find it (including pictures) on:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=30136&forumID=1&archive=1

Enjoy !


Thanks. I had only remembered that thread discussing the Stott recording (I bought the Stott recording because of that thread). I had forgotten the extensive discussion of Ornadel. Based on that thread, no one believes that the Ornadel recording has been released on CD. What performance, then, is on the MCA 1980's CD release.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2008 - 2:28 AM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

.....Cyril Ornadel and the Starlight Symphony Orchestra had a recording of selections from "Gone With the Wind" released on MGM Records (S/E-3954) and Metro Records (M/S-613) in the 1960s. When MCA issued their LP and CD re-release of "Gone With the Wind" in the mid-1980s (MCA/D-39063), does anyone know what performance they issued? The Osborne guide states that it was the Ornadel performance.....


Bob, here's kind of a chronology of the early recordings of GWTW:

1- 1954 reissue of the film---Steiner conducts a suite for 10" RCA recording, later reissued on 12" RCA with other Steiner selections.

2- 1961 reissue of the film---Mathieson, on Warner Bros. records, and Ornadel, on MGM Records recorded.

3- 1967 reissue of the film, blown up to 70mm and a stereo mix from separate mono elements. This is the first time that Metro had in their possession the actual music session elements to be used for the 70mm stereo mix---they had apparently negotiated the rights to these with the Selznick brothers in exchange for some financial giveaway on the picture itself. With the actual music-only tracks in hand, MGM Records issued the FIRST actual soundtrack album for the film, in mono and pseudo-stereo.

The MCA LP and CD release of the GONE WITH THE WIND material is a reissue of this 1967 MGM Records actual soundtrack material.

As to the MGM Records Metro and Lion labels, I believe that a number of them reissued many of the early '50s soundtracks of musicals, primarily. But they were often either BLOWN-UP cheats of old 10" albums (which usually contained 8 bands, 4 on each side) to a 12" size with seemingly wider bands, but still only 4 bands to each side---or they were often cut-down versions of 12" soundtrack albums, taking the often 12 bands and cutting several, making them 10 bands, 5 to a side. As I recall, the Metro album of GWTW IS the Ornadel, but several of the bands are missing that were on this original Ornadel MGM Records LP. (I have these in my collection, but they aren't in front of me, but as I recall, the bands cut were the ball waltzes that were more musical interludes than dramatic score. Curiously, THESE cut Waltz things were the one item that made the original Ornadel recording unique in this period.)

I've still NEVER seen a reissue of the Ornadel recording on CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2008 - 3:04 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

.....Cyril Ornadel and the Starlight Symphony Orchestra had a recording of selections from "Gone With the Wind" released on MGM Records (S/E-3954) and Metro Records (M/S-613) in the 1960s. When MCA issued their LP and CD re-release of "Gone With the Wind" in the mid-1980s (MCA/D-39063), does anyone know what performance they issued? The Osborne guide states that it was the Ornadel performance.....



The MCA LP and CD release of the GONE WITH THE WIND material is a reissue of this 1967 MGM Records actual soundtrack material.


I've still NEVER seen a reissue of the Ornadel recording on CD.


Manderley:

Thanks. That would make the MCA release the first CD release of the original GWTW tracks. I had always assumed that the CBS Special Products CD was the first CD release of the originals.

Has the Steiner 10-inch RCA re-recording ever been issued on CD?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2008 - 3:30 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

That would make the MCA release the first CD release of the original GWTW tracks. I had always assumed that the CBS Special Products CD was the first CD release of the originals.



Boy, am I dumb. In checking the log of my collection, I realize that, although I have neither the LP nor the CD of the MCA release, I do have the cassette. And it has a reproduction of the cover of the 1967 LP original tracks release. With all this concern about what LPs are on what CDs, I often forget about all of the cassettes I have boxed away. (Also, Soundtrack Collector is notably short on listings of cassette releases, and rarely can act as a memory jogger in such a case.)

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2008 - 7:06 AM   
 By:   shicorp   (Member)


Has the Steiner 10-inch RCA re-recording ever been issued on CD?


I think there have been several re-issues of this one. The CD I own has catalog number RCA/Special Music CAD1-625. It omits the other Steiner selections and is in artificial stereo...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2008 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   soundtrakker   (Member)

Has the Steiner 10-inch RCA re-recording ever been issued on CD?

I think there have been several re-issues of this one. The CD I own has catalog number RCA/Special Music CAD1-625. It omits the other Steiner selections and is in artificial stereo...


Another CD release of the Steiner 1954 10-inch GWTW suite is the 1989 RCA BMG 9676-2-R, which also includes selections from Steiner's BIRD OF PARADISE, A BILL OF DIVORCEMENT, LITTLE WOMEN, CHARGE OF THE LIGHT BRIGADE, A STAR IS BORN, LIFE OF EMILE ZOLA, DARK VICTORY, and FOUR WIVES.

The Ornadel GWTW cries out for a CD release, with the GERALD O'HARA, BELLE WATLING, AND MAMMY tracks at long last included again. Ornadel's interpretation of the SCARLETT O'HARA theme is the most beautiful, the most lush, ever recorded.

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2014 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

With the movie celebrating its 75TH Anniversary this year, is there a chance for a happy ending for this recording, finally? An LP rip of the album is currently available as MP3 download or for streaming on different venues - still, it would be great to have a CD - or at least a lossless download of this. Would this be Warner's or Universal's these days?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2014 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Would this be Warner's or Universal's these days?


Hard to say. If the Ornadel LP falls under the category of "soundtrack," Warners would control the rights. If its "pop," I suspect that UMG would have it. The Amazon download comes from Britain's Stage Door Records, but who they licensed it from is unknown.

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2014 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

Would this be Warner's or Universal's these days?


Hard to say. If the Ornadel LP falls under the category of "soundtrack," Warners would control the rights. If its "pop," I suspect that UMG would have it. The Amazon download comes from Britain's Stage Door Records, but who they licensed it from is unknown.


It's public domain in Europe - so no licence is required. I asked both, Hallmark and Stage Door, for a CD version, but they seem to be uninterested in sending one frown I won't pay for the MP3s, though. As long as there's no decent transfer, spotify will do wink

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2014 - 8:04 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

I suppose the Ornadel counts as something of a landmark -- one of the earliest album recreations of a vintage film score from a previous decade. Heindorf's SPELLBOUND and FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS are roughly contemporary. How does the Ornadel compare with the more familiar Mathieson?

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2014 - 3:55 PM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

I think the Ornadel is more in the easy listening direction than the Mathieson. There are chorus parts in several selections that are not to be found in any other recordings (including the original). Never tasteless, though...

 
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