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 Posted:   Jun 14, 2008 - 9:41 PM   
 By:   JAPhillips219   (Member)

I came across this 1975 Arthur Penn directed mystery with Gene Hackman with a score by Michael Small. I've never seen the film before, and would like to know the following:

1. Opinions on the film from the plot, acting, and direction.

2. Opinions on the Michael Small score.

3. Since it's a Warner Bros film, would it be a suitable FSM release?

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2008 - 5:59 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

My favorite Small score. But if I remember correctly the tapes are lost. I think Lukas stated that some time ago.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2008 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   soop   (Member)

I saw this on Netflix a few months ago and it really stuck with me. It's drenched in 70's style, but it has a real unique flavor, especially the Florida sequences. The plot is dense and requires quite a bit of patience. I highly recommend at least a rental.

I just ordered it to own recently.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2008 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   JAPhillips219   (Member)

My favorite Small score. But if I remember correctly the tapes are lost. I think Lukas stated that some time ago.


I wonder if he had a copy in his personal collection which his wife would now have in her possession?

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2008 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

My favorite Small score. But if I remember correctly the tapes are lost. I think Lukas stated that some time ago.


I wonder if he had a copy in his personal collection which he wife would now have in her possession?


We checked and no there isn't.

Lukas

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2008 - 9:22 PM   
 By:   nitzschemorricone   (Member)

Excellent film with an equally fine score. I've got the main theme running through my head right now. Sorry to hear that the tapes no longer exist.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2017 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   Roman   (Member)

I just had the wonderful new Blu-ray of the movie by Warner Archives in the mail. While checking whether it's working I listened to the score: The sound quality is terrific, very clean and dynamic!!

This is which makes me wondering whether the original tapes finally have been discovered or whether the source used for the BD could be used for an overdue CD edition of this great score.

Maybe some of our CD producers reading this (Intrada, Kritzerland, anyone?) have an answer to this one or could find out...

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2017 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Night Moves is a great film and one of the best in capturing the "post-'60s, post-Watergate, existentialist Hangover Blues." And it does so without really talking about it, save for the lines about the Kennedys. Michael Small was the BEST at scoring stuff like this and the early-to-mid-'70s films were perfect for his style, which make his later work in the vapid 1980s all the more a tragic waste of his talent. His music after 1979 was still solid, professional stuff but the ship had sailed on the kind of quality film Michael Small could score with brilliant ease circa 1975.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2017 - 9:22 PM   
 By:   The Juggler   (Member)

Night Moves is a great film and one of the best in capturing the "post-'60s, post-Watergate, existentialist Hangover Blues." And it does so without really talking about it, save for the lines about the Kennedys. Michael Small was the BEST at scoring stuff like this and the early-to-mid-'70s films were perfect for his style, which make his later work in the vapid 1980s all the more a tragic waste of his talent. His music after 1979 was still solid, professional stuff but the ship had sailed on the kind of quality film Michael Small could score with brilliant ease circa 1975.

NIGHT MOVES is neck-and-neck my favorite private eye flick with CHINATOWN. Probably the most underrated film of its decade. Critics didn't give it much love, but I have watched the damn thing at least fifty times and never get tired of it. Some of the best hardboiled dialogue ever written for the big screen. Most people remember Arthur Penn for BONNIE & CLYDE. IMO, this is by far his best film. Small's score is brilliant and one of the soundtrack labels needs to source it from the film mix. If it can be done for OBSESSION (and very well at that), it can be done for this masterpiece.

 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2017 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

Cool fun fact about the movie: In the beginning of the film, when he's following his wife to see if he's she is cheating on him, he sees her and a guy coming out of a movie theater. That movie theater was located on Magnolia Boulevard in Burbank. It later turned it into Evergreen Studios where Streisand recorded a number of albums. She no longer owns the place, but it is still a recording studio and it's located right next to the bar where I met my wife. It's also right up the street from my parents house, where I grew up... as well as across the street from a drive thru Dairy where a scene from La La Land takes place.

Fun fact!

 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2017 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Night Moves is a great film and one of the best in capturing the "post-'60s, post-Watergate, existentialist Hangover Blues.

This film bored me to tears. (Other than Melanie Griffith's scenes) Thank God Star Wars was only two years away!

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2017 - 5:24 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Night Moves is a great film and one of the best in capturing the "post-'60s, post-Watergate, existentialist Hangover Blues.

This film bored me to tears. (Other than Melanie Griffith's scenes) Thank God Star Wars was only two years away!


I can see how the film bored you; there's a lot of thought-provoking and grown-up content for the thinking man or woman to ponder.

Luckily for you, there would be Star Wars for the kiddies. wink

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2017 - 5:32 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

We had so great releases using stems and other sources for the music. I wonder if Small's Night Moves could see a release using modern mastering technology! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2017 - 5:41 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

Night Moves is a New Wave detective story with an acute intimistic leaning.
This is Arthur Penn's answer to Robert Altman's The Long Goodbye.

There is one scene that is a nod to the French New Wave when Harry Moseby drives at night and passes by the Magnolia Theater in which they play Eric Rohmer's My Night at Maud's.

My Night at Maud's (1969) trailer with subtitles

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2017 - 6:44 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Night Moves is a great film and one of the best in capturing the "post-'60s, post-Watergate, existentialist Hangover Blues.

This film bored me to tears. (Other than Melanie Griffith's scenes) Thank God Star Wars was only two years away!


I can see how the film bored you; there's a lot of thought-provoking and grown-up content for the thinking man or woman to ponder.

Luckily for you, there would be Star Wars for the kiddies. wink


Thinking man? You realize I was like 11 years old when my parents dragged me to the drive in to see this, right? Hey I like thought provoking films. One is Rory's favorite, Planet of the Apes. I guess I enjoy social commentary in the framing of fantasy/Sci Fi.

Seriously, if it's as good as you say it is, then I'll have to view it again as an adult and see if I have a completely different opinion of the film. wink

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2017 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Night Moves is a New Wave detective story with an acute intimistic leaning.
This is Arthur Penn's answer to Robert Altman's The Long Goodbye.

There is one scene that is a nod to the French New Wave when Harry Moseby drives at night and passes by the Magnolia Theater in which they play Eric Rohmer's My Night at Maud's.


"I saw a Rohmer film once. It was kind of like watching paint dry."

~Harry Moseby (Gene Hackman) Night Moves

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2017 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

Night Moves is a New Wave detective story with an acute intimistic leaning.
This is Arthur Penn's answer to Robert Altman's The Long Goodbye.

There is one scene that is a nod to the French New Wave when Harry Moseby drives at night and passes by the Magnolia Theater in which they play Eric Rohmer's My Night at Maud's.


"I saw a Rohmer film once. It was kind of like watching paint dry."

~Harry Moseby (Gene Hackman) Night Moves


Very funny.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2017 - 5:57 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Very funny.

You have to admit that you walked right into that one, pal. wink

Here's another Night Moves thread from years back where we all discuss the film and score's merits.

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=67023&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2017 - 6:16 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

So the master tapes are missing. The last solution is to get the stems.
What a fine laid-back and atmospheric jazz-funk score!


 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2017 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

A "greatest hits" rundown on the film, posted in the hopes that there will be continued discussion on the film and its (maddeningly unavailable) score:

Night Moves is a great, hidden gem of a film and one of the best in capturing the "post-'60s, post-Watergate, Existentialist Hangover Blues." And it does so without really talking about it, save for the lines about the Kennedys. Michael Small was the BEST at scoring stuff like this and the early-to-mid-'70s films were perfect for his style, which make his later work in the vapid 1980s all the more a tragic waste of his talent. His music after 1979 was still solid, professional stuff but the ship had sailed on the kind of quality film Michael Small could score with brilliant ease circa 1975.

What little there is of Small's music in the film is effective, as it's a jazzy, vibes-led piece that's already stuck in my head. The film is more of a character study than anything, as most will figure out who's who well before the end. I'm not so sure if it's the lines themselves that are great or if Gene Hackman just has the gift of delivering them in his inimitable fashion. Probably both. Fine performances by all involved, with a finale that's gripping and as per the era, downbeat. But then that was the first half of the '70s, before everything got all twinkly and escapist in the decade's second half. The first half of the '70s comes off as one big hangover, and the pop culture shows it.

It's interesting to note that by 1975, these types of movies became more slick and self assured. I'm thinking of movies like 3 Days of the Condor, Marathon Man, and All the President's Men. All fine films, but they're a refined "last gasp" designed more for gaining prestige and awards than for just telling a good story with interesting characters. They lack that feeling of desperation and bone-weary tiredness that made protagonists in so many early '70s so damned interesting.

Of course the change was bound to happen, but it also makes me realize that cinema got a lot less interesting after Jaws hit theaters. The efforts of Arthur Penn or Sam Peckinpah are certainly different than anything Spielberg cranked out.

In fact, you can sense a "burned out" atmosphere in things like Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia and especially Night Moves that truly signified the end of something. Spielberg and Lucas were master craftsmen, but their movies were designed to appeal to the masses or the "child lurking within us" or some such nonsense; one could never say that a movie by those two was "controversial" and they sure never made you think about your own life.

I'm mesmerized by Night Moves' burned-out, "post-Vietnam/Watergate Blues" atmosphere. The baked environment of Los Angeles, the steaminess of Key West--another place that has changed dramatically over the years. In fact, the entire vibe in Night Moves is sun drenched, weary, and just plain worn out. Oh, how I love it so.

 
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