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 Posted:   Sep 24, 2008 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   Frances   (Member)

This message of mine was motivated by a topic entitled “The Eiger Sanction” posted between 2000-2008 by some other members, but with some interesting comments on the score. This is actually not a bad score, but rearranging the prearranged cues on the recorded soundtrack may give a better listening experience of the whole work. This reordering process is also a sort of editing process that not only structures the order of cues, but can also repeat some cues to flesh out the work. This attempt has given me a good programming result, but such changes may however yield a work that might not still be called a film score or a movie soundtrack. Perhaps others might post their ideas on this issue of arranging the given, and may even want to share the sequencing of cues for other scores they did. My attempt with this work divides the cues into two groups. The first group is the more dramatic music with several possible repeats, and could perhaps even stop there as a whole suite. The second group is the more romantic music of a somewhat rhythmic and melodic kind, but is nice all the same, with a feeling of resolution to it for the score. The transition from cue to cue here seems to be okay, with either the short or long versions.
Group one: 01 06 04 04 11 11 12 12 03 10 08 13
Group two: 05 02 09 07

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2008 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Interesting project, but I prefer to "consume" the listening experience that is handed to me by professional album producers and composers, and evaluate it thereafter. I have enough trouble finding available time for LISTENING, much less RE-ARRANGE them! smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2008 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

agreed with Thor (this time)

separating all dramatic cues from all romantic cues seems also a little odd...

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2008 - 4:28 PM   
 By:   Frances   (Member)

Interesting project, but I prefer to "consume" the listening experience that is handed to me by professional album producers and composers, and evaluate it thereafter. I have enough trouble finding available time for LISTENING, much less RE-ARRANGE them! smile

In my buying and listening treks of film scores what is given in albums as cues is not always in chronological sequence with the movie, as record companies and even score composers do rearrange the cues for various reasons. There is no real problem with this, and often the result even yields a better musical listening experience; but it raises the further point on whether such an album is then truly an "original" soundtrack and should be called so, if this matters.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2008 - 4:48 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

do you mean resequencing the cues makes the soundtracks less "original"?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2008 - 4:59 PM   
 By:   Pedestrian Wolf   (Member)

Interesting project, but I prefer to "consume" the listening experience that is handed to me by professional album producers and composers, and evaluate it thereafter. I have enough trouble finding available time for LISTENING, much less RE-ARRANGE them! smile

Thor, just as a curiosity, is there a reason that you use "quotation marks" around "ordinary words" so frequently? I don't mean to poke fun, and you certainly aren't the only one who does it here, but it's a bizarre "trend" I notice "on" this board. Do the quotation marks "signify" some "in-jokes" that I am somehow missing? ;-)

Pedestrian Wolf

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2008 - 5:05 PM   
 By:   Frances   (Member)

do you mean resequencing the cues makes the soundtracks less "original"?

Yes, that seems to be roughly my curiosity, assuming whether an "original soundtrack" ought to be faithful to the chronological sequencing in the actual movie in order to be called original, although the term "original" may wrong here. Perhaps the terms "genuine" or "authentic" or something else might be clearer.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2008 - 6:45 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

then any song from the film (from composer or source) should also be there too, right?

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2008 - 6:47 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Yes, that seems to be roughly my curiosity, assuming whether an "original soundtrack" ought to be faithful to the chronological sequencing in the actual movie in order to be called original, although the term "original" may wrong here. Perhaps the terms "genuine" or "authentic" or something else might be clearer.

For it to be "genuine" or "authentic," then, it should be presented around the sound effects, with huge gaps of silence where the unscored portions of the film fall.

Once a score is separated from the film, it is a different animal, no matter how completely and sequentially it's presented on the disc.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2008 - 12:34 AM   
 By:   Frances   (Member)

then any song from the film (from composer or source) should also be there too, right?

Perhaps very short cues and even vocal songs and source music should be included in released symphonic soundtracks for them to be held as "original", but "original" does not necessarily mean "good", therefore eliminating them from a released "original" soundtrack may be justified and warranted in the interest of a sound musical experience.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2008 - 6:12 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

In my buying and listening treks of film scores what is given in albums as cues is not always in chronological sequence with the movie, as record companies and even score composers do rearrange the cues for various reasons. There is no real problem with this, and often the result even yields a better musical listening experience; but it raises the further point on whether such an album is then truly an "original" soundtrack and should be called so, if this matters.

As a soundtrack album and a film score are two different musical and artistic expressions released on two different media - but that are BASED on the same raw material - I don't think one is more or less original than the other.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2008 - 6:13 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Thor, just as a curiosity, is there a reason that you use "quotation marks" around "ordinary words" so frequently?

The reason is of course that I'm using the word in an unusual, not literal, context. One does not normally CONSUME listening experiences, for example. But yes, you're probably right. I think I'm overusing it a bit (like I do parentheses! smile).

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2008 - 11:50 AM   
 By:   Pedestrian Wolf   (Member)

Thor, just as a curiosity, is there a reason that you use "quotation marks" around "ordinary words" so frequently?

The reason is of course that I'm using the word in an unusual, not literal, context. One does not normally CONSUME listening experiences, for example. But yes, you're probably right. I think I'm overusing it a bit (like I do parentheses! smile).


Ah, now I see. I think I'm so accustomed to figurative language in everyday speech that it doesn't even occur to me that other people might need it emphasized. Quote as little or as often as you please - I just find it amusing.

Pedestrian Wolf

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Very nice playlist, Frances. Works really well.

Excellent score by John Williams.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2018 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Very nice playlist, Frances. Works really well.

Excellent score by John Williams.

 
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