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 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   GreatGonzo   (Member)

Does anybody know why this never made it to cd? As a complete, double-disc version, I mean? I'm aware of the single-disc one...

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

Wasn't it the double LP program that came out on the "Star Wars Anthology" set.

I might be wrong but I thought it was the double LP set that they remastered for their "Empire Strikes Back" disc.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   George A Flaxman   (Member)

I seem to recollect that the 2-lp's were just too long for a single CD, so they chopped 1 track. Unless I'm thinking of something else... old age, e.t.c.

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I seem to recollect that the 2-lp's were just too long for a single CD, so they chopped 1 track. Unless I'm thinking of something else... old age, e.t.c.

Was "Departure of Boba Fett" the track omitted from that CD?

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   The Beach Bum   (Member)

I seem to recollect that the 2-lp's were just too long for a single CD, so they chopped 1 track. Unless I'm thinking of something else... old age, e.t.c.

They did that with Superman (well, two tracks actually). In the case of Empire, the soundtrack was originally released as only one LP in Germany, so half the tracks were jettisoned.

When CDs were first introduced, they were only manufactured in Europe and Japan. The Empire CD was among those manufactured in Germany, so they just dumped the truncated German LP onto CD. The Empire CD was also out of order, so that end title was placed in the middle of the CD, and then immediately followed by the Main Title. roll eyes

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

The CD version originally released, the one that had the End Title in the middle of sequencing, contained only half the tracks from the double LP. I was very disappointed when I found this CD, probably 17 years ago, and never bought it. I did buy the cassette version, so I at least would not have to keep wearing down the grooves on my LP version!

The '93 Arista set is close, but not quite... I remember Lukas discussing that the album masters could not be found, so they had to use the tapes from the film sessions... there were different takes and in addition the cues were not edited together in the same fashion as Williams presented them on the original LP. Not a big deal or anything, but I did love the original presentations of "Heroics of Han & Luke" and "Rebels at Bay", each consisting of two cues from different parts of the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

Does anybody know why this never made it to cd? As a complete, double-disc version, I mean? I'm aware of the single-disc one...

I have an absolute mint copy of this, any offers ?

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

Does anybody know why this never made it to cd? As a complete, double-disc version, I mean? I'm aware of the single-disc one...

I have an absolute mint copy of this, any offers ?


A bottle of Bushmills... okay two if you'll share.

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   dogplant   (Member)

In the case of Empire, the soundtrack was originally released as only one LP in Germany, so half the tracks were jettisoned.

They did this, too, in the U.K. in 1980. For several years (pre-Internet and pre- any personal knowledge of any other soundtrack enthusiasts) I was unaware of the existence of the two-disc U.S. release. When I stumbled on the longer album -- with all that extra music, a gatefold image of the Millennium Falcon on the Cloud City landing pad inside and the beautiful Ralph McQuarrie [correction: Roger Kastel] painting on the back -- tucked in a used bin in my local record store in 1982, it blew my tiny mind.

It makes me appreciate how lucky we are with what is available today.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

Great artwork! I still have our original 2 LP album, which still sounds great. I remember being disappointed that the 1993 Arista box set (the first time I had any of the scores on CD) left off the Mynock cave escape sequence, which can be heard on this LP, so I was happy that the 1997 2-disc re-issues included it.

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)

In the case of Empire, the soundtrack was originally released as only one LP in Germany, so half the tracks were jettisoned.

They did this, too, in the U.K. in 1980. For several years (pre-Internet and pre- any personal knowledge of any other soundtrack enthusiasts) I was unaware of the existence of the two-disc U.S. release. When I stumbled on the longer album -- with all that extra music, a gatefold image of the Millennium Falcon on the Cloud City landing pad inside and the beautiful Ralph McQuarrie painting on the back -- tucked in a used bin in my local record store in 1982, it blew my tiny mind.

It makes me appreciate how lucky we are with what is available today.




Not so Dogplant....the two disc LP was issued in the UK when the movie was first released ....I still have it.
There was a 10 page colour picture booklet inside the gatefold, and the McQuarrie artwork was on the back.

The single LP was issued later.
I know because I bought that one too. The "Imperial March" track on my original had aquired a nasty scratch, so, I was delighted to be able to have a pristine track again.



 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

Wait, what McQuarrie artwork on the album jacket are we talking about? The "Gone With the Wind"-like art shown here in the thread is by Roger Kastel...

The Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back double LP is pretty much where my own film music appreciation (outside the movies) began, and a treasured touchpoint for that reason. It's also a wonderfully "deluxe" presentation, as noted, that still shines today, even in our present era when we're spoiled by wonderful score releases all the time.

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   dogplant   (Member)

Not so Dogplant....the two disc LP was issued in the UK when the movie was first released ....I still have it.

Well, I had definitely had the Empire single album first and I didn't have the double album until years later, as described above. Furthermore, Soundtrackcollector.com says the RSO single album was released in the UK in 1980:

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/soundtrackdetail.php?movieid=9106

I remember when I excitedly showed my dog-eared used copy to a friend of mine who was a big Star Wars fan. He knew all about it and nonchalantly told me the 2-disc album was the U.S. release, so perhaps you were lucky, like him, to have obtained this import before you happened upon the one-disc album? And I am sorry, Joe E, to have misidentified the U.S. album back cover artist.

But I don't want to bicker about it. My point is, it was a different world back then, as far as what information was available. May the Force Be With You.

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

Has anyone by chance made a lossless rip of the 2-LP Empire for themselves?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

Does anybody know why this never made it to cd? As a complete, double-disc version, I mean? I'm aware of the single-disc one...

I have an absolute mint copy of this, any offers ?


A bottle of Bushmills... okay two if you'll share.


Make that a bottle of Eagle Rare Single Barrel and you're on...oh no, now I remember...better make that two bottles!

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 3:04 PM   
 By:   GreatGonzo   (Member)

Has anyone by chance made a lossless rip of the 2-LP Empire for themselves?

Well, that's kinda why I asked about this in the first place, to make sure there wasn't a legit double-disc cd release out there before I start digitizing tracks off my three double LPs... In all honesty, though, I doubt I'll have time for it in the near future - looks like a project for those long winter evenings...

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 4:43 PM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)

I remember when I excitedly showed my dog-eared used copy to a friend of mine who was a big Star Wars fan. He knew all about it and nonchalantly told me the 2-disc album was the U.S. release, so perhaps you were lucky, like him, to have obtained this import before you happened upon the one-disc album? And I am sorry, Joe E, to have misidentified the U.S. album back cover artist.

Well Dogplant.....I just went and dug out my copy of the double album and looked at the small print, and you are quite right.
It is a US copy.

I never really took much notice before.
I only know that I bought it in my local High Street store a couple of days after I first saw the movie.
They must have been a special import, or something ???

Oh!...and i'm sorry too about naming the wrong artist.

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 4:56 PM   
 By:   dogplant   (Member)

I never really took much notice before.
I only know that I bought it in my local High Street store a couple of days after I first saw the movie.
They must have been a special import, or something ???


Oh, no problem. I don't have my 2-disc album with me, it's back home in my parents' attic in Essex, so I was curious about this. I'll have to dig it out next time I get back home. It's a pretty gorgeous album, eh? I still like to spin my vinyl from time to time as a nostalgic ritual, and I love the drama of opening up those great big old gatefolds. Sorry yours got scratched.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 5:08 PM   
 By:   Doctor Plesman   (Member)

In the case of Empire, the soundtrack was originally released as only one LP in Germany, so half the tracks were jettisoned.

Oh man, this really brings back fond and crazy memories...

Living in Berlin, I had the luck to buy the - what I later learned, presumeably ONLY - US 2LP set of EMPIRE which was imported to Berlin record stores in the Summer of 1980.

I was blown away by the gatefold sleeve, all the incredible pictures and of course - the music.

The strangest thing came a bit later though.

You must know that in these days even the most massive blockbuster movies were not released day-and-date or even in the same season as they were in the States or in the UK.

In fact, blockbusters were thought to be useful just for the winter holidays, and that meant, EMPIRE was to be started in Germany in DECEMBER! Half a year later!

Luckily, that would be totally impossible today.

And then came along the radio drama, or audio book of EMPIRE, whatever you may call it, I believe, they called it "The Movie On Record" Also with a nice gatefold sleeve.

Which I foolishly bought.

And there I gathered together with three of my dear youth friends, around the age of fifteen at that time, and we were listening to the story of EMPIRE, with all the original dialogues, the great music which I already knew inside-out at that time due to the double soundtrack LP, and suddenly, near the end, James Earl Jones uttered THAT line, well you know which line... "No Luke, I am your father!" (Did I just spoil something ;-))

In JUNE! What a bummer! What a horrifying moment! And the worst thing of all - we had to wait till December to finally SEE that moment...

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2008 - 9:32 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

In JUNE! What a bummer! What a horrifying moment! And the worst thing of all - we had to wait till December to finally SEE that moment...

You know, I had a similar spoiler happen to me that summer. I was in third grade, and this punk kid in class I never really liked, and who I rarely spoke to anyway, mentioned the plot detail, but I didn't believe him. He didn't have much credibility to begin with and it just seemed too outlandish to consider.

When I saw the movie I was struck by the fact that Vader chops Luke's hand off first, and THEN tells him he's his father. That seemed PARTICULARLY evil, so I was good and shocked anyway, even having had the scene "spoiled" ahead of time.

The scene I must have found even scarier (which I can categorially state because I didn't find out what actually happened in it until years later when I saw it on video) was Luke's encounter in the cave on Dagobah. When Vader showed up for no logical reason and things went into that artificial slo-mo effect, I covered my eyes with my hands in fright!


(And let me repeat Vosk's request too. My e-mail is in my profile.)

 
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