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He's got a point.
There's a lot of criticism of just about every release. If someone's 99% happy with a release, you can bet it'll be the 1% that will be the first to get slung out on the boards. It doesn't reflect the real enthusiasm of the listeners. I'm guilty of this myself. When Varese released their 3CD Miklos Rozsa Centenary Celebration I questioned the inclusion of the Hamburg suites in a prominent position even before I had bought the set. I regret that. Actually those suites in terms of sound recording are and always were some of the best sonically released anywhere, and I play them all the time, even with the compromised performances. But the vast majority of material on that set was brilliant. But these things must dampen the keenness of any producer. The hit on Intrada's 'Spellbound' amounted to hysteria and was disproportionate.
No offense, gents, but there IS a mindset peculiar to the internet that isn't that healthy. It's too easy. And of course there are the silly malevolences. I'll bet the silent satisfied minority are by definition the least vocal.
I mean, no-one has an ENTITLEMENT to these releases which are luxuries really, and every release is something to be met with gratitude. The posters take their cues often from professional reviews they've read. But that's not the tone a 'community' should adopt.
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Dec 16, 2008 - 7:49 PM
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Yes Willaim, I also remember that release---where I was super enthusiastic about it containing a full re-issue of the Bersntein/Utah Symphony album and the majority of the Bernstein/Nuremberg Symphony album, 15 minutes each of LAST EMBRACE, EYE OF THE NEEDLE and FEDORA, which I will certainly never afford unless Varese reissues them in full. (I certainly would have preferred more of those over the hamburg stuff), and I thought it was silly ot include the Hamburg Ben-Hur over the Nuremberg/Bernstein Ben-Hur, and eah there was bitching about the Hamburg stuff, but there was also people like me enthusiastic about the return of long OOP recordings to the catalog, but apparently nobody pays attention to the positive reactions and enthusiasm. I thought it was a fantastic deal, and still do.
You are right though, people seem to voice their displeasure more frequently--after all, with 10 of 11 excellent informative videos, I vented about the 1 that displeased me.
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Dec 16, 2008 - 8:05 PM
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It should be no surprise after the podcast interview he had with Lukas a while back and put us down then, but it really is upsetting that Mr. Townson still thinks so little of his fanbase---those who enjoy and appreciate---and even envy----what the man has done for film music. I find it hard to believe that there's that many folks who care about this stuff as much as we do, but don't bother to talk to anyone about it, but he makes a point in his reference to "actual fans", something that we apparently are not.
His main vent is about the Goldsmith @ FOX box reaction---which seems so odd to me because that box has always had a good reputation ever since I started posting here in 2005. (I think it sold out before I even started collecting) It's a highly sought-after item on the secondary market and one would think that those who have it are quite proud and happy to---and those who don't---have had five years of releases to pick something else from. I always thought the varese backlash was towards their then UPS shipping, not title selection.
Mr Townson's complaint is that people on the internet are jerks. I mean, even ignoring the *duh* factor there, you feel that the best way to express this complaint is to act like a jerk yourself, TJ?
Mr Townson's interview was clearly not intended as an insult, but as a proper label. I know people on this board that email me or IM me saying how they cannot stand the disgusting negativity, vapidness and ungrateful attitudes of so many others here.
TJ obviously doesn't disagree with what the interview said - just in how he said it. Here, people, here is *exactly* what is wrong with your fandom. For all the collective yelling and lifting of torches and building of effigies, the problem begins and ends with us; Hans Zimmer and his lackeys aren't killing the soundtrack world. We are. And until this is realized, we'll slowly kill what we love until we've become the lowest form of life in the genre - the Filmtracks message system.
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Dec 16, 2008 - 8:16 PM
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TJ
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you feel that the best way to express this complaint is to act like a jerk yourself, TJ?
How is my post jerk-like? it was much more streamlined and calm than my original Notepad reaction, at least I certainly thought so!
I know people on this board that email me or IM me saying how they cannot stand the disgusting negativity, vapidness and ungrateful attitudes of so many others here.
I do too--but it's a few bad apples, certainly not a representation of the whole.
TJ obviously doesn't disagree with what the interview said - just in how he said it.
Yes I do, just like I disagreed with the ideas in April when Lukas had to come to our defense to the guy in the MP3 interview.
Mr Townson's interview was clearly not intended as an insult, but as a proper label.
It's not a proper label, it's a sweeping generalization about the membership and one that isn't accurate.
It really upsets me personally that someone I hold to such a high opinion thinks so little of the dialogue that occurs here---and sure, we're spoiled with lukas and nick and mike and ford and all of them, I ain't asking Twonson to participate here, I'm upset that he thinks we're all ungrateful whiners in response to everything the man's put out at all times----but then I remind myself of the folks in the biz tell me how they enjoy what I have to say on forums and the support that I give their products, here and elsewhere.
edit: And shoot, who did he think was the target audience of those videos? How many FSM Online Subscribers are there that don't partake in FSM forums?
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...here is *exactly* what is wrong with your fandom. For all the collective yelling and lifting of torches and building of effigies, the problem begins and ends with us; Hans Zimmer and his lackeys aren't killing the soundtrack world. We are. And until this is realized, we'll slowly kill what we love until we've become the lowest form of life in the genre - the Filmtracks message system.
Though I don't have an opinion on the thrust of this thread because I haven't read the Townson interview, I would like to extend to you, LeHah, a walloping round of...
...for your sharp perception and honesty, and your inimitable style of clearcut communication. There be truth amongst those thoughts up there.
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I don't even know who Townson is. What release are you even talking about, and what is his connection to it?
You are not kidding. Are you.
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He runs VARESE SARABANDE.
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I don't fault the man for his Fan Boy opinions. Not ONE whit.
Let's hope he keeps doing his well done job.
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I don't fault the man for his Fan Boy opinions. Not ONE whit.
Let's hope he keeps doing his well done job.
If what this site's members have posted is true, he apparently has some issues with free speech.
No. I don't think so. It seems he has a problem with adolescent blather. No matter the age of the adolescent...
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Dec 16, 2008 - 9:37 PM
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MikeJ
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it's a few bad apples, certainly not a representation of the whole.
It's more than just a few bad apples. If you go back and look at some of the posts when Club releases have been announced, there are some really shitty comments made, nearly every time. He's smart not to chime in on any of the boards. Until you've spent tens of thousands of dollars to produce a record album and had someone refer to it as a crime against humanity, you may not understand where he's coming from. Probably not too different from taking your son out for an ice cream cone and the guy behind the counter makes a fat joke to your face.
It really upsets me personally that someone I hold to such a high opinion thinks so little of the dialogue that occurs here---and sure, we're spoiled with lukas and nick and mike and ford and all of them, I ain't asking Twonson to participate here, I'm upset that he thinks we're all ungrateful whiners in response to everything the man's put out at all times----but then I remind myself of the folks in the biz tell me how they enjoy what I have to say on forums and the support that I give their products, here and elsewhere.
You can always send him an e-mail through the Varese website, TJ. He says he reads e-mail. Or use their fax number. Who knows, he may respond to you.
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He runs VARESE SARABANDE.
Actually, he does not "run" Varese Sarabande. He runs the soundtrack division of Varese Sarabande. Varese Sarabande is run by the man who owns it - Chris Kuchler.
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Dec 16, 2008 - 9:48 PM
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TJ
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You can always send him an e-mail through the Varese website, TJ. He says he reads e-mail. Or use their fax number. Who knows, he may respond to you.
I was thinking about it, but I didn't think he would bother with fan mail, with his very low opinion of internet forums.
This is the second time he's gone on record about us and, once again, surprisingly few seem to even care. I guess there is no point to post it here if there's further bashings.
I think it's ridiculous if someone referred to a varese club release as a "crime against humanity", I certainly didn't witness that occurence.
For every whiner, there's someone who is ecstatic, but it seems people just focus on the whiners. I don't get it.
I've learned way more about film music before 1977 from the forums than anywhere else, even liner notes.
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He runs VARESE SARABANDE.
Actually, he does not "run" Varese Sarabande. He runs the soundtrack division of Varese Sarabande. Varese Sarabande is run by the man who owns it - Chris Kuchler.
Ohhh.
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