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 Posted:   Jan 14, 2009 - 8:29 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Back in the day, United Artists had a weird way of dealing with including mono tracks on stereo LPs. They ever-so-mildly rechanneled them. The effect was so subtle that, when listening in stereo, you thought you were hearing mono; but if you flipped it to mono, it went completely out of phase. The mono mixes on the "stereo" Beatles' "Hard Day's Night" were one example. The instrumental version of the title track of "Goldfinger" was another.

The actual mono version of the instrumental "Goldfinger" sounds great on the mono UA LP, but had that out-of-phase quality on the stereo LP.

Whoever was in charge of mastering the re-mastered Goldfinger CD failed to pick up on this detail, and as a result, it's completely out of phase on the remaster.

AMAZING that no one picked up on this during the remastering. It sounds horrible.

One more reason not to dismiss LPs.

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2009 - 9:11 PM   
 By:   Alexander Zambra   (Member)

You refer to the fast instrumental version? I did notice the lack of clarity and phasing, didn't say anything however. Considered at least better effort was producing these Bond reissues.
I have kept my mono LP and specially for that track.
Thanks for bringing it up, however doubt anyone else would care about it.

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2009 - 9:52 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

You're right, on a wave editor the left and right channels are one-quarter of one-tenth of a second apart... sufficient to cause phase distortion.

Keep in mind that Lukas was in charge of producing only the soundtracks from "Thunderball" to "Live and Let Die." "Goldfinger" was not remixed, but simply used the existing U.S. and U.K. album masters.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2009 - 6:24 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Keep in mind that Lukas was in charge of producing only the soundtracks from "Thunderball" to "Live and Let Die." "Goldfinger" was not remixed, but simply used the existing U.S. and U.K. album masters.

Well, they should have used the MONO master of the track in question, because it jumps out of the speakers. The fake stereo version sounds like someone is trying to suffocate the speaker with a pillow. The mind boggles.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2009 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   Harrypalmer   (Member)

Even worse, the first note of "Dawn Raid on Fort Knox" comes in a split second too late on the American pressing of the album. (The British version was fine)

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2009 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


I am off the hook for this one. Those 007 CDs were done very quickly and it was something of a minor miracle that the expanded ones happened at all. I distinctly remember producing the expanded masters and then EMI's business affairs decided they could not use the additional tracks. I went off to lunch, brokenhearted, and thank goodness by the time I got back to the office, MGM had called EMI and worked it out. I remember during that lunch very slowly, sadly dipping my nacho chips in the salsa at the old Sagebrush Cantina in Culver City. But for Goldfinger all I did was explain the different track listings between the U.S. and U.K. LPs and their engineers did it.

I guess it's easy to try to turn this into a war story but I remember the initial meeting I had where I explained what I wanted to do with the expanded editions, and the executive in charge of the product line looking at me like he had a million problems and didn't need to hear about this one, but to his credit he said go ahead...and we did. And who knows, maybe he'll read this post one day? So there's something to be said for karma and putting positive feelings out there instead of complaining. I will forever be grateful that MGM and EMI let me play around with James Bond music; it was out of this world. Yes, in hindsight I wish I had known about the Goldfinger mono track issue, so maybe the one at lunch was me -- literally!

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2009 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   Scott H.   (Member)

Lukas,

Release a complete Moonraker and I'll forgive you. wink


PS

...mmmmm...nachos...

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2009 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   ScoreDude   (Member)

Love my LP

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2009 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   shicorp   (Member)

I agree that this track still doesn't sound as it should. At least the channels are now symmetric, which wasn't the case on the old CD.

It's even worse, however, that they didn't use the mono master for "Dr. No"...

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2009 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   shicorp   (Member)

I'm sorry to have posted this before I saw Lukas had replied. The expanded Bond albums are a priceless gift to all film music fans. Thank god, there are such idealists like Lukas in this branch. Otherwise, I would have been done with collecting music a long time ago...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2009 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Midnight Mike   (Member)

I love these remasters and am so happy they came to be. As many have said before, it is a dream come true.

Does anyone know if they sold well? Were the remasters considered successful?

Mike

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2009 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   Scott   (Member)

I am off the hook for this one. Those 007 CDs were done very quickly and it was something of a minor miracle that the expanded ones happened at all. I distinctly remember producing the expanded masters and then EMI's business affairs decided they could not use the additional tracks. I went off to lunch, brokenhearted, and thank goodness by the time I got back to the office, MGM had called EMI and worked it out. I remember during that lunch very slowly, sadly dipping my nacho chips in the salsa at the old Sagebrush Cantina in Culver City. But for Goldfinger all I did was explain the different track listings between the U.S. and U.K. LPs and their engineers did it.

I guess it's easy to try to turn this into a war story but I remember the initial meeting I had where I explained what I wanted to do with the expanded editions, and the executive in charge of the product line looking at me like he had a million problems and didn't need to hear about this one, but to his credit he said go ahead...and we did. And who knows, maybe he'll read this post one day? So there's something to be said for karma and putting positive feelings out there instead of complaining. I will forever be grateful that MGM and EMI let me play around with James Bond music; it was out of this world. Yes, in hindsight I wish I had known about the Goldfinger mono track issue, so maybe the one at lunch was me -- literally!

Lukas


Great job on these releases Lukas! I listen to the expanded Bond releases all the time and never had an issue with them. Honestly, we're lucky to have what we got!!

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2009 - 7:31 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

I love these remasters and am so happy they came to be. As many have said before, it is a dream come true.

Does anyone know if they sold well? Were the remasters considered successful?

Mike


By the time the CDs were released back when we did them, the two people I had coordinated with at EMI had left!

Lukas

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2009 - 7:39 PM   
 By:   Midnight Mike   (Member)

As you said, a minor miracle that they happened at all.

Well, a million thanks to all involved, past and present.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2009 - 7:22 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

You're right, on a wave editor the left and right channels are one-quarter of one-tenth of a second apart... sufficient to cause phase distortion.

Keep in mind that Lukas was in charge of producing only the soundtracks from "Thunderball" to "Live and Let Die." "Goldfinger" was not remixed, but simply used the existing U.S. and U.K. album masters.


Just curious, were you able to line them up correctly and fix it?

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2009 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   shicorp   (Member)

You're right, on a wave editor the left and right channels are one-quarter of one-tenth of a second apart... sufficient to cause phase distortion.

Keep in mind that Lukas was in charge of producing only the soundtracks from "Thunderball" to "Live and Let Die." "Goldfinger" was not remixed, but simply used the existing U.S. and U.K. album masters.


Just curious, were you able to line them up correctly and fix it?


As I've written above, this isn't the case on the remastered CD. The channels are symmetric, at least on the UK pressing.

But maybe I made a mistake: I inverted the left channel and added it to the right -- and the result was silence. This should mean that both channels are exactly the same, if I didn't make a mistake...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2009 - 11:19 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

As I've written above, this isn't the case on the remastered CD. The channels are symmetric, at least on the UK pressing.

But maybe I made a mistake: I inverted the left channel and added it to the right -- and the result was silence. This should mean that both channels are exactly the same, if I didn't make a mistake...


Your copy sounds like mine. It sounds like they took the out-of-phase psueudo-stereo version of the mono mix, and summed the channels back into mono, making it sound even MORE out of phase.

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2009 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


There were some issues with missing masters. My memory is foggy but the track on the Thunderball LP that's the mono version of the theme -- we had to use Jon Burlingame's copy of the LP!

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2009 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

As far as I'm concerned, the classic-era James Bond scores are film music treasure and I'm so pleased we got expanded editions before the masters were lost or rotted.

What amazes me is how some of the most important (not to mention POPULAR) film music stayed unexpanded for so long.

I'm wondering what it'll take to get the remainder expanded!

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2009 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   Midnight Mike   (Member)


I'm wondering what it'll take to get the remainder expanded!


Probably some big Bond Anniversary, I think the 2003 expanded soundtracks were considered part of the 2002 40th Anniversary of the Franchise. So maybe for the 50th? Only 4 years away!

Mike

 
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