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 Posted:   Apr 24, 2009 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   neotrinity   (Member)



Or - What Would Some Folks Say If There Were an NAAWP? Department:

His name is August Wilson and he accomplished something of stature in the annals of American theatre no other major playwright – not Tennessee Williams, Lorraine Hansberry, Arthur Miller, Edward Albee and, especially, Eugene O’Neill, who aspired to such within his own work - has accomplished ...



completing ten plays – one for each decade of the 20th century – focusing on the trials, tragedies and triumphs of the black experience in an astonishing assortment of eras and themes that’ve catapulted him into the rarified ranks of those we previously mentioned.



Now here’s where we come to the tricky part, and it’s a permanently polarizing pickle. Mr. Wilson (who died in 2005) always insisted that black directors were the only ones capable of helming his plays and this sticky stipulation was never altered when he was alive.

It’s also why Hollywood has never filmed any of them (which is why James Earl Jones’ most legendary Tony-winning performance since “The Great White Hope” -



wasn’t given the green light because of Mr. Wilson’s insistence the director had to have an ebony hue (Laurence Fishburne and Angela Bassett recently performed it in El Lay).



What’s revived this endlessly incendiary issue is last week’s Broadway production of “Joe Turner’s Come and Gone” with a director, Bartlett Sher, who obviously doesn’t comform to Mr. Wilson’s colorful casting preference.



It’s unleashed the expected firestorm of protest as the New York TimesPatrick Healy observed in his “Race is the Issue” article. [ … “Straight up institutional racism” was how one black director of Wilson’s plays on Broadway, Marion McClinton,



described Lincoln Center Theater’s selection of Mr. Sher, to a Minnesota newspaper this winter. In an interview this week, Mr. McClinton said choosing white directors for Wilson plays not only denied opportunities for black directors, but also reflected a double standard because so few black directors were chosen for major productions of canonical works by white playwrights.

Kenny Leon,



the Broadway director of the last two works in the 10-play Wilson cycle — ‘Gem of the Ocean’ and ‘Radio Golf’ — said Broadway lacked “a level playing field” for black directors. “I have to work with my agent to remind people that, yes, I direct comedies, I do musicals, I do plays about all races of people just like other directors do,” said Mr. Leon, who earned a Drama Desk directing nomination for his one other outing on Broadway, ‘A Raisin in the Sun’ in 2004.

Still, the choice of Mr. Sher has set a precedent in the eyes of some veterans of Wilson’s plays — a precedent that they believe the playwright would not like.

“August told me himself that the reason he did not want white directors was because if one ever had a chance to do one of his plays on Broadway, it would be very unlikely that a black director would ever be chosen again to direct his plays on that level,” said Charles S. Dutton, who starred in the original Broadway production of ]



Pardon the clumsy pun, but there’s no righteous black and white view available in this profoundly gray situation. On the one hand, one can sympathize with his



single-handed (and minded) determination to provide specific opportunities generally denied black directors in all media as compared to their vanilla peers but this type of Affirmative Artistic Action can be just as blinding and barricading



as what it’s ostensibly designed to deter.

What’s heartening, according to the article, is that his widow, Costanza Romero



[ … said in an interview that she and her husband had talked about who should direct his work. Wilson was widely known as a passionate advocate for blacks in theater and film; in the 1990s, he and the director and writer Robert Brustein sparred at length in print and in person about the role of race in everything from a playwright’s vision to casting.



“While August had been this heavyweight champion of black culture and the African-American experience on stage, that was his work when he was alive,” Ms. Romero said.



“My work is to get these stories out there,” she said, “and to help ensure that audiences walk out of the plays with a deeper understanding for these American stories and for the ways our cultures intertwine.” ]

Tho it’s gonna take a Solomonic sage with wisdom not exactly overflowing at present, seems to us Mme. Romero is on the (um) write track.



Too bad just being supremely sensitive and saturated with empathetic Talent – to say nothing of having the ultimate compassionate calling card of being Human – are crucifying (canceling) vices rather than transcendent communicative virtues. embarrassment

Any takers on this?

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2009 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

I would certainly agree with Costanza Romero that there has to come a point, even if one agrees with what is called the "affirmative action" principle at the outset in creating new opportunities, where it should be possible to move beyond that. I have to say, I'm impressed by her insight in recognizing that there needs to be a time to move beyond that concept for the sake of a greater good (i.e. getting the plays out to a wider audience) and perhaps even more importantly to make white directors cognizant of the value in wanting themselves to handle projects like this (surely it would be a testament to the power of the material that it could speak with such power that people of other races/ethnicities would want to take a crack at exploring the material themselves directing wise).

What tends to make "affirmative action" so controversial with many people is the concern that it doesn't set a timetable for when we as a society can safely assume that injustices of the past have been sufficiently addressed and that we can now with more assurance adopt the true "color blind" test that we all feel was at the heart of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream" speech for a society that will one day transcend its racial barriers in terms of fear, and lack of opportunity. Romero's attitude though in recognizing the change in times and the need for a different standard than might have been needed in past decades, is refreshing in that it shows how its possible to recognize accomplishment and achievement from where we started and how the greater good of making the work of the plays more accessible to society, perhaps requires a different approach now.

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2009 - 4:18 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

The ultimate goal, it seems to me is that there is no black, there is no white, there is no red and there is no yellow.

There simply "is" the human experience. It should be open to multiple interpretations.

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2009 - 7:28 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

In this case it doesn't look like racism was the intention but it's blinkered thinking nonetheless.

There's no reverse racism, only racism.

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2009 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)


There's no reverse racism, only racism.


Racism comes in sadly many different degrees. Legalized racism, institutional racism, overt, benign neglect etc. and "reverse" would also be one of those subcategories. If there is "only" racism, then that is true only if we believe in the notion that all other subcategories and degrees of it are in the end equal and thus irrelevant in the end. Others can debate whether or not that's a valid concept.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2009 - 9:20 AM   
 By:   Reeler   (Member)

The ultimate goal, it seems to me is that there is no black, there is no white, there is no red and there is no yellow.

There simply "is" the human experience. It should be open to multiple interpretations.


An impossible goal I'm afraid. To remove those distinctions would require that people look and act alike. But I suppose an entire history of socialist law is trying to achieve that utopia.

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2009 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   neotrinity   (Member)





1900s:



1910s:



1920s:



1930s:



1940s:



1950s:



1960s:



1970s:



1980s:



1990s:





The Beginning wink

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2009 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   neotrinity   (Member)



Re That Issue Most Everyone Would Rather Imitate an Ostrich On Department:



Mayhap the most dangerously insidious form of that virus is the Unconscious kind.

The over-riding tragedy of it all, Ron, is that if folks could KEEP it on your elementally Universal level, those with such a vested interest in selfishly maintaining that superficial separation would be plumb outta biased business.

As to that, the most profound insight we’ve ever had the enlightened light shined upon is what Lorraine Hansberry



wrote in the magnificent monologue the main character channels in her play



“Race is a DEVICE – no more, no less. It explains nothing at all.”

After which, she then goes on to demonstrate how those devices are responsible for most of the homicidal mayhem that still scarcely separates how “evolved” our so-called superior species really is roll eyes

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2009 - 3:01 PM   
 By:   Reeler   (Member)

I think people in general make the mistake that because the world is segregated therefore the world is racist. The reason it is such is because there's quite a large cultural difference. Difference itself should be celebrated. Of course with it comes some good, and some bad things. But these divisions in itself are not inherently awful. What can be construed as "racism" is if someone consciously say doesn't serve a differing race for those very reasons. But the idea that white or blacks tend to hang with their own kind isn't necessarily so since these people are naturally attracted to those of their same ilk (though we seem to be trying to say the reverse). In a way trying to reduce or eliminate the term "difference" is contrary to nature. If it were that easy, wouldn't we all look and behave alike?

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2009 - 6:05 PM   
 By:   Sgt. Esterhaus   (Member)

A little something to help stir the proverbial pot...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/theater/reviews/05deat.html?_r=1&8dpc

I'd love to be able to see this.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2009 - 6:52 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

But the idea that white or blacks tend to hang with their own kind isn't necessarily so since these people are naturally attracted to those of their same ilk (though we seem to be trying to say the reverse). In a way trying to reduce or eliminate the term "difference" is contrary to nature. If it were that easy, wouldn't we all look and behave alike?

I'm not happy with this 'people are naturally attracted to those of their same ilk' notion. I sincerely fear that in America inter-racial mixing is, in real terms, much less than in Europe and the UK, apart from some Islamic separatist tendencies here and there.

It's a shame you folk outside the UK can't use the online BBC iPlayer: tonight BBC4 showed an excellent documentary as part of their 'Blues' season on blues musicians in Britain. When the initial black blues artists were invited there in the early 1960s wave, some didn't return to what was still a segregated US.

This is not me America-bashing, but you need to know that despite the encouraging thing with Pres. Obama, the rest of the world isn't so uptight on these issues. Up there in Canada for example, racism is very much more a thing of the past between blacks and whites. It's everywhere, but it isn't inevitable.

'Can Blue Men Sing the Whites?' is visible here for 7 days from broadcast:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00kc752

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2009 - 8:24 PM   
 By:   Holly Mitchell   (Member)


I'm not happy with this 'people are naturally attracted to those of their same ilk' notion. I sincerely fear that in America inter-racial mixing is, in real terms, much less than in Europe and the UK, apart from some Islamic separatist tendencies here and there.


Hi William,

Personally, I do not believe in the "people are naturally attracted to those of their same ilk" notion. I have always lived in a diverse environment where people from different backgrounds (culturally and/or ethnically) commit, marry, and have children; and my own family lineage (both maternal and paternal) is mixed, per se.

Just sharing my thoughts on the subject. I wish you could visit our area. Our community is divided at times, but often (not always, I assure you) love, friendship and commitment are NOT bound or dictated by racial ties. Just keep in mind that many people (in the States) find love and happiness beyond the initial 'blood and racial' ties...I will attest to that fact.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2009 - 3:19 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

I've always been attracted to women of different races from my own. I'd think someone who wasn't was pretty strange.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2009 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Bogus bilge. There are talented actors, directors and writers who can evoke myriad "experiences" (a comfort word if ever there was one) whether from personal history or from whole cloth. Any prohibition on one group or race from employment is insidious and un-American, despite Mr. Wilson's august proscriptions. How do you think Shakespeare would feel about having MACBETH played in Nazi uniforms? With WOMEN playing WOMEN?!?

 
 Posted:   May 6, 2009 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Hi William,

Personally, I do not believe in the "people are naturally attracted to those of their same ilk" notion. I have always lived in a diverse environment where people from different backgrounds (culturally and/or ethnically) commit, marry, and have children; and my own family lineage (both maternal and paternal) is mixed, per se.

Just sharing my thoughts on the subject. I wish you could visit our area. Our community is divided at times, but often (not always, I assure you) love, friendship and commitment are NOT bound or dictated by racial ties. Just keep in mind that many people (in the States) find love and happiness beyond the initial 'blood and racial' ties...I will attest to that fact.



Of course you're right, Mrs. Nightmare ....

I reckon Americans take everything to bigger extremes ... so when they do racism, they do it BIG, but when they do inter-racial mixing and marriage etc., they do THAT big as well! Let's hope the right men (and women) win!

 
 
 Posted:   May 8, 2009 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Reeler   (Member)

The problem with the posts mentioned after my last one is the data isn't supporting it. Races are still pretty much hanging out with their own. If someone has to consciously seek out friendships beyond their own race, that could be construed as racism because there's this extra effort to begin with. Because I'm not actively participating in this supposed progressive thinking doesn't make me any worse than anyone else. If my town of 90+ percent white feels the need to consciously transplant however many to fulfill some quota, that strikes me as being more racist since it entertains the idea of race in the first place. (Anti-discrimination laws are inherently racist since they consciously go about telling you the business owner how many of said races you need to hire. If they weren't racist, would there be the need to view certain races as 'helpless' in the first place?)

It seems to me either humanity isn't really racist, or we're racist by nature. But to pretend that there are not divisions currently on display is pardon the french -- asenine. The faulty premise is that it is assumed humanity is racist on the basis that we are not pro-active in our integrating with one another. If people 'reject' something than that's another thing. But because I'm not 'concerned' about it doesn't strike me as being terribly racist.

 
 Posted:   May 8, 2009 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   Holly Mitchell   (Member)

The problem with the posts mentioned after my last one is the data isn't supporting it. Races are still pretty much hanging out with their own.

Perhaps this is so in your neighbourhood, but not the community I live in.

If someone has to consciously seek out friendships beyond their own race, that could be construed as racism because there's this extra effort to begin with.

Sorry, you lost me there. A person *consciously* seeking out friendships beyond their own race? In my experience, a friendship is formed based upon a bond and/or common interests between two people. I do not actively "seek out" people due to the colour of their skin or ethnic background.

Because I'm not actively participating in this supposed progressive thinking doesn't make me any worse than anyone else. If my town of 90+ percent white feels the need to consciously transplant however many to fulfill some quota, that strikes me as being more racist since it entertains the idea of race in the first place. (Anti-discrimination laws are inherently racist since they consciously go about telling you the business owner how many of said races you need to hire. If they weren't racist, would there be the need to view certain races as 'helpless' in the first place?)

The only comment I'll make is no comment.

But to pretend that there are not divisions currently on display is pardon the french -- asenine.

Of course there is division: who stated that there was not? But there is ALSO fusion. Come visit California...miscegenation is common and the numbers increase (vs. decrease) as the years roll on.

The faulty premise is that it is assumed humanity is racist on the basis that we are not pro-active in our integrating with one another.

I hold my own idea(s) in re: to humanity and racism. Keep in mind that assumptions are subjective.

 
 
 Posted:   May 9, 2009 - 12:26 AM   
 By:   Reeler   (Member)

Sorry, you lost me there. A person *consciously* seeking out friendships beyond their own race? In my experience, a friendship is formed based upon a bond and/or common interests between two people. I do not actively "seek out" people due to the colour of their skin or ethnic background.

Exactly. My point is anti-discrimination laws don't work in the business world because they tell the employer 'who' they should hire. The very idea makes racial distinctions to begin with.

Because I'm not actively participating in this supposed progressive thinking doesn't make me any worse than anyone else. If my town of 90+ percent white feels the need to consciously transplant however many to fulfill some quota, that strikes me as being more racist since it entertains the idea of race in the first place. (Anti-discrimination laws are inherently racist since they consciously go about telling you the business owner how many of said races you need to hire. If they weren't racist, would there be the need to view certain races as 'helpless' in the first place?)

The only comment I'll make is no comment.


The point is "progressiveness" is a misnomer. It places a premium on 'forcing' the individual to comply with certain laws. No-one has rights over someone else's business property. Cripes, even if the business owner is racist, it still doesn't give anyone the right to force their morality upon them.

The faulty premise is that it is assumed humanity is racist on the basis that we are not pro-active in our integrating with one another.

I hold my own idea(s) in re: to humanity and racism. Keep in mind that assumptions are subjective.


I'm trying to differentiate between associating with people with like commonalities as you said and consciously seeking race relations on the basis of a quota. I do not inherently believe my town of 98 percent white are racist because the town is 98 percent white. A number doesn't lead me to believe anything. If businesses didn't open their doors to other races, that's different. If people didn't help other races in an emergency, etc. But I often wonder if the conscious effort in the name of "progressive" racial integration is more racist because it worries about the numbers to begin with? This is my entire point. I wonder that because races tend to stay together is less about racism and more about a bond that is less prevalent elsewhere? Because this has been going on this way since the beginning of human history. That there isn't a 'natural' behavior to want to be with your own race the most. I do not find it inherently bad to ask the question while not being an apologist for asking it in the first place.

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2009 - 5:15 PM   
 By:   neotrinity   (Member)



Bouquets for Carolyn Hax Department:

Dear Carolyn: Some friends of mine had been talking up this guy they thought would be perfect for me, so I finally went on a blind date with him. It turns out he's black, and while I am NOT racist and have no problem with inter-racial dating in general, it's not for me. I just prefer to date white guys.

I told my friends why I wouldn't be seeing him again, and they were, shockingly, horrified. Did I miss something here?
I know inter-racial dating is more prevalent now than it used to be, but I didn't realize it was SO common that you get in trouble if you don't want to do it. I figured if I'm the one who needs a kick in the pants, you're the perfect person to give it to me, but I'm hoping you'll tell me I'm right, that no one should have to date anyone they don't want to
. –Sacramento.



Sacramento: You're right - no one should have to date anyone s/he doesn't want to. And your friends are right, too - they shouldn't have to pretend they're not horrified by something they find morally repugnant. And you're right, inter-racial dating is more prevalent now, but its prevalence here is the cart; the issue here is the horse.

More people date inter-racially because more people realize that the only alternative to being racist is to judge each person as a person.

Your decision not to date this man wasn't about his character or lack thereof, it wasn't about his sex appeal or lack thereof, it wasn't about his intellect or lack thereof, it wasn't about his sense of humor or lack thereof, it wasn't about his work ethic or lack thereof, it wasn't about shared history or lack thereof, it wasn't about his goals or lack thereof, it wasn't about his compatibility or lack thereof.

To your credit, you're owning your opinion; all you had to say was that you didn't find him attractive, and this conversation doesn't happen.

However: We're having this conversation because you didn't find his race attractive. That's what racism is.



There’s no rebuttal to this damn near nigh perfect description – absolutely NONE.

What IS it exactly that perpetuates this type of whatever-it-is?

Does it just fall under the umbrella of Staying with Your "Own" Kind?

Is it a type of behavioural/societal orientation that perpetuates this so that, in the end (of their obvious non-exposure) as at the beginning (of their guarded experience) personal preference is always The Way?

Thus Catholics can seek to only marry Catholics, Jews prefer Jews, Latinos are on the lookout specifically for their own Latino mirrors, dark-skinned blacks can choose other dark-skinned blacks (while looking down on lighter-skinned blacks who only wanna mate with their lighter-skinned mirrors while mothers with light-skinned daughters despise their progeny’s pick if their pigmentation isn’t light enuff

Wotta world, wotta world embarrassment

 
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