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It's amazing to me that no one seems to have read Lukas's original post. He said it was necessary for him to hire lawyers to stop Harkit from pirating FSM's MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E. release! I don't choose to believe him out of some cockeyed faith or blind loyalty--just look at the quality and the quantity of the albums he's released, the magazine he edited, this message board he provides to us, and then compare that to the small and shabby stack of inferior Harkit releases, with their questionable provenance, overall poor sound quality, and meager liner notes. Who looks like the consummate professional in that comparison? Whose reputation is well-earned and unblemished? This is a no-brainer, folks.
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It's amazing to me that no one seems to have read Lukas's original post. He said it was necessary for him to hire lawyers to stop Harkit from pirating FSM's MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E. release!
That actually isn't quite what Lukas said. He said Harkit were going to pirate 'The Man From Uncle', which isn't quite the same as saying they were going to pirate the *FSM* release of The Man from Uncle. As I recall, there was a bootleg doing the rounds of some of the Goldsmith tracks a few years ago, long before the FSM versions came out (Movie Boulevard amongst others was selling it - I wonder how many people here bought it too?). Maybe Harkit was planning to use this material, I don't know.
It seems to me that this thread is about done, surely? Lukas has issued a warning and the message was: support an official and - no doubt - much higher quality release which is in the works.
I would have thought that everyone has that message now, although you can be sure there'll be plenty of people (including some on this thread) who will order the Harkit as soon as it's out, just in case the official one never sees the light of day. Just as there are several who have mp3 copies sourced from the old vinyl version and which are easily downloadable from the web. It seems to me that Lukas' original point is getting lost a bit; people are just now going in circles and attacking people like Randall Larson and Darren Allison (not to mention dealers and retailers) who actually probably don't really deserve it.
Sometimes there is a nasty pack mentality on this forum and I think this thread illustrates it.
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But you do, of course.
Nope. I honestly have no idea in this case what the truthis, but I do know that Lukas isn't always right (a shocking thing to say, for some, I know). It's quite possible that in whatever country they originate in that the LPs they choose to transfer ARE PD for whatever reason (the main reason I'm skeptical is because it hasn't been 50 years for the ones that are being discussed).
Copyright is a very bizzare thing, and because of companies buying each other out or going bankrupt, etc, rights can be confusing (as has often been said when bringing up certain scores' rights here). So maybe, just maybe, the LPs in question are PD in that country because of it.
I /don't/ know the answer. I'm simply speculating.
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That actually isn't quite what Lukas said. He said Harkit were going to pirate 'The Man From Uncle', which isn't quite the same as saying they were going to pirate the *FSM* release of The Man from Uncle. As I recall, there was a bootleg doing the rounds of some of the Goldsmith tracks a few years ago, long before the FSM versions came out (Movie Boulevard amongst others was selling it - I wonder how many people here bought it too?). Maybe Harkit was planning to use this material, I don't know.
I agree with the rest of your post, but I think you're mistaken here. Lukas's use of the word "pirate" in relation quite specifically to Harkit's MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E. release surely indicates that they were stealing something, not just beating FSM to the punch as they had with BELL,BOOK&CANDLE and KLUTE. The definition of "pirate" that applies in his sentence is "to make use of or reproduce another's work without authorization." He also refers to Harkit as "thieves", and the fact that it was FSM lawyers who were able to halt the Harkit release is a significant sign that this wasn't just another sloppy lp transfer or rehashed bootleg.
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It doesn't matter if I'm mistaken or not - everyone is just going in circles here. Lukas's
message was that if people buy the Harkit they need to know a better version will be coming later. And, I suppose, that buying Harkit CDs puts the better versions at risk.
I've no idea whether the Harkits are illegal in Europe or how much they adversely affect legally licenced releases. But surely the licensing studio would (or should) stomp over Harkit if these releases are indeed illegal? Why should a small label like FSM have to pay lawyers to do that? After all, it's the studio property that is, supposedly, being exploited - isn't it??
Anyway that's all I have to say. I still think this thread is done. It was done a long time ago and leaves a nasty taste in my mouth, as an increasing number on this board seem to these days. And I doubt I'm alone in that sentiment.
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I honestly have no idea in this case what the truthis, but I do know that Lukas isn't always right (a shocking thing to say, for some, I know). It's quite possible that in whatever country they originate in that the LPs they choose to transfer ARE PD for whatever reason (the main reason I'm skeptical is because it hasn't been 50 years for the ones that are being discussed).
Copyright is a very bizzare thing, and because of companies buying each other out or going bankrupt, etc, rights can be confusing (as has often been said when bringing up certain scores' rights here). So maybe, just maybe, the LPs in question are PD in that country because of it.
I /don't/ know the answer. I'm simply speculating.
This post represents in a nutshell the defense of Harkit on this thread: "I don't know nothin', but Lukas might be wrong." It reminds me of those interviews with people on the street that Jay Leno conducted on the Tonight Show. Except not as funny.
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It doesn't matter if I'm mistaken or not - everyone is just going in circles here.
If it doesn't matter whether you're mistaken, then it doesn't matter whether I was mistaken, so why did you bother to correct me?
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If you're not a soundtrack fan, then you've been coming to the wrong place for the past five years!
I listen to music that I like; I don't obsessively collect a genre for the sake of collecting.
And since you clearly have no respect for the person who pays for this message board, then maybe you should go somewhere else.
I don't know who pays for what, or which member is associated with which label; That doesn't interest me.
It would be nice if each of us could inhabit a world where there was no competition, and each of us had full control of the law. That is not the case. If Harkit is blatantly doing something illegal in the UK and selling its product at otherwise respectable outlets, then let's see someone take legal action. If not, I don't blame Harkit for seizing opportunities while others are snoozing.
You sure have a lot of strident opinions for someone who professes to be so disinterested! And frankly, if you didn't know after five years of posting here that the FSM Message Board is paid for by FSM's Lukas Kendall, then you must need Boy Scouts to help you cross the street. At least I've succeeded in opening your eyes to the true nature of Harkit's approach. In just a few posts you've gone from calling them "smart" and "passionate music lovers" to admitting that they're merely "seizing opportunities". Glad you're beginning to see the light.
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Most successful businesses are both passionate about their products while recognizing an opportunity to fill a void. There is nothing wrong with that. Specialty labels feed on the obsessive compulsive disorders of a small percentage of the population. Big deal.
No wonder you don't want to be identified with soundtrack collectors, since your description of our group makes us sound like drug addicts! Naturally, you're above it all. Keep telling yourself that!
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It's rather unfair piling on Harkit if you ask me. Especially when such threads are usually locked on this forum.
I keep an open mind as as I generally don't like LP to CD releases and those that are unlicensed are that much worse. Considering the fact that others can be accused of the same crime, the entire thing seems very bias to me.
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It's rather unfair piling on Harkit if you ask me. Especially when such threads are usually locked on this forum.
I keep an open mind as as I generally don't like LP to CD releases and those that are unlicensed are that much worse. Considering the fact that others can be accused of the same crime, the entire thing seems very bias to me.
That's like saying it's unfair to accuse someone of raping you because you haven't pointed the finger at all rapists everywhere! Lukas has personal experience dealing with Harkit, so he's doing us all the favor of warning us away from them. Your "open mind" seems more like a lack of discrimination to me.
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It's rather unfair piling on Harkit if you ask me. Especially when such threads are usually locked on this forum.
I keep an open mind as as I generally don't like LP to CD releases and those that are unlicensed are that much worse. Considering the fact that others can be accused of the same crime, the entire thing seems very bias to me.
That's like saying it's unfair to accuse someone of raping you because you haven't pointed the finger at all rapists everywhere! Lukas has personal experience dealing with Harkit, so he's doing us all the favor of warning us away from them. Your "open mind" seems more like a lack of discrimination to me.
I find it interesting that whenever someone raises a complaint against BSX for stealing their hard earned money, the threads are always locked, yet people are encouraged to go right along with this issue.
The rape analogy is a bit extreme.
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I find it interesting that whenever someone raises a complaint against BSX for stealing their hard earned money, the threads are always locked, yet people are encouraged to go right along with this issue.
The rape analogy is a bit extreme.
The BSX threads may be locked, but they're not deleted, and they're always allowed to proceed until the original poster's problem has been rectified. Lukas is hardly showing favoritism towards BSX--this message board is regularly packed with threads warning people not to shop there! Of course, this has nothing whatsoever to do with the complaints directed toward Harkit, but a complete lack of logic should be no barrier to anyone with an open mind such as yours.
As for the rape analogy being a bit extreme, substitute "robbing" and "robbers" for "raping" and "rapists" if you're squeamish. My point remains exactly the same
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