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 Posted:   Jun 3, 2009 - 8:53 PM   
 By:   vwing   (Member)

Ok, I know there have been topics on this before, but I hate bumping year or two year old topics that slightly have to do with what I'm talking about than start a new one, so sorry smile.

My main question is, is the set truly unlistenable? I actually just watched Phantom Menace today for the first time in a long time, and I realized just how much great music and great thematic development is in the movie that is simply absent on the 1-disc (amazingly, a number of major themes just don't show up). Now I understand it's apparently ripped from the film edit instead of the masters, but will I really be that unhappy getting it? Is it worth missing out on what I'd estimate is probably 40 minutes of wonderful music I've never heard outside of the film?

 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2009 - 8:57 PM   
 By:   jedizim   (Member)

If you like the music it is not unlistenable. There are some very awkward edits, but overall it is enjoyable. I am just happy to have gotten the music, and wish they would do the other 2 movies as well.

 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2009 - 9:10 PM   
 By:   Silence Is Golden   (Member)

As the previous poster said, it's not that it's unlistenable and it's nice to have the whole score released. But the album is basically off the film's music track which explains all the short cues and awkward edits. If this was done properly, Williams would not have done it in this way had he been involved. He was probably busy without other committments to oversee the project.

At least we got something.

 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2009 - 9:19 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

There are a couple of cues that are "nessessary" - particularly the climax of Anakin escaping the Trade Federation ship, which uses the Force theme - but by and large its a very underwhelming set.

I think SAE has a used copy for under $10. Give that a try.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2009 - 10:37 PM   
 By:   Musicman416   (Member)

I concur with the above posts. If you like the score, you should own it for now (hopefully we'll get true complete releases before TOO long...fingers crossed) as the most full official release of the score...but it is missing music from the OST as well--for instance, in the "Anakin Defeats Sebulba" cue on the UE, it has the tracked in elements from "Escape From Naboo" and one other cue instead of the full original cue that was present on the OST.

Now, through various sources, people have...for their own personal consumption..."assembled" more definitive sequences, shall we say? Does anyone else find it ironic that a release that was intended to discourage bootlegs ended up encouraging more of them?

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2009 - 12:42 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

"Unlistenable"? No. Mostly the opposite in fact and the previously unreleased music is really stunning. Yet it's disappointing in that the meticulous assembly work that characterized the original trilogy scores on RCA and later Sony is absent here. Edits abound, mostly in the last 20 minutes or so. The Ultimate Edition is really best considered as a supplement to Williams' superbly produced single disc release.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2009 - 1:33 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

A lot of people moan about this set, but I find it a very good and enjoyable listen. there's some great music on here. The only gripe I have is the packaging (digipak) the disc holders on mine were broken when I received it, the discs were OK, but its a bit annoying when you can't display the disc's in their original packaging. If they'd gone to the trouble of putting the score in a Jewel case it wouldn't have been a problem.

But that's another topic, go on, buy and enjoy.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2009 - 4:40 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

The Ultimate Edition is really best considered as a supplement to Williams' superbly produced single disc release.

Unless you're like me and balk at the thought of owning the same thing twice.

I like the UE just fine, even though it's a bit...jumpy.

Maybe one day we'll get proper releases of it and the other two...but that day is probably as far away as the next physical format that actually has success, if any.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2009 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Maybe one day we'll get proper releases of it and the other two...but that day is probably as far away as the next physical format that actually has success, if any.

Wouldn't this require an entirely new recording of the scores? Its not as if John Williams recorded huge sums of music to be put on the original soundtrack album, and then shelved it "just because".

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2009 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Why would you think that it would require a rerecording? There's probably a lot of music recorded and sitting just fine which was not included on the CD releases due to space requirements. TPM was originally a 70 minute single CD, yet there was enough unreleased music to have two. The films were filled wall to wall with music. Granted, the last two films had a lot of reused music from TMP, but it's probably safe to assume there is more than 70 minutes of fresh score for each film.

Besides, Williams generally makes "album edits" and combines cues for listenability. TMP's forst release, as it was noted, left off a lot of thematic material.

Unless I totally misunderstood your comment. Which is always possible.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2009 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

To me, there isn't much difference between this and other expanded albums. It's all awkward edits and film-specific messiness.

Then again, I only play the original CD anyway, and have put the 2CD on my sales list. Want it?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2009 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   Marko   (Member)



Except the other expanded albums don't have "awkward edits and film-specific messiness".


There is no need to re-record any of the prequel music.

The various Star Wars video games that used music from the three films have quite a bit of music Williams originally recorded so the music exists in its complete form.

In just a matter of Lucasfilm allowing them to be released like the original trilogy was.



 
 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2009 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Except the other expanded albums don't have "awkward edits and film-specific messiness".

They do to me.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2009 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Besides, Williams generally makes "album edits" and combines cues for listenability. TMP's forst release, as it was noted, left off a lot of thematic material.

Unless I totally misunderstood your comment. Which is always possible.


The editing on the Ultimate Edition CDs sounds to me as if any type of reassembly of existing masters would create simply well-edited cues. Not that theres anything wrong with that in particular - but often, composers record the soundtrack albums seperate from the actual score for reasons such as this.

There is little more jarring than a fade, cut or unnatural change when listening to an album.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2009 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   Trent B   (Member)

The so called "Ultimate Edition" is great to have for the unreleased music in great quality but the jarring edits and looped material can be a bit of a pain for listening experience.

I have made my own complete definitive edition and to me it's much more enjoyable and it's a version that Lucasfilm should have had allowed Sony to release, instead of an isolated score.

If you have the OST, it's a worth while to pick up the "Ultimate Edition" set. It's too bad that we haven't gotten 2-CD sets for AOTC or ROTS yet.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2009 - 6:12 PM   
 By:   vwing   (Member)

Thanks for the comments guys, I guess I'll try to buy it at a fairly reasonable price, cause it does sound like I might as well.

As for the other two, I wouldn't really want complete sets of them. Unlike Episode I, there is very little added thematic development in II and III necessary for a complete score experience (although III certainly has more than II). There are some nice additional cues for II, like Anakin at his mom's grave, Yoda fighting Dooku, and Anakin's theme played as he looks at the sunrise, but unless there actually is a 20 minute Clone Battle sequence that was recorded and never saw the light of day, there's nothing I want from it. For III, there might be enough for a 2 CD, but the music isn't nearly as good as it is for Phantom Menace. So I'd really just hope for an unedited 2CD PM before completes of the other 2.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2009 - 11:35 PM   
 By:   Trent B   (Member)

There's plenty of good cues for AOTC to warrant a 2-CD set. There's also reports too that Williams had recorded a completely different ending for AOTC than what we hear with the Imperial March.

For Revenge Of The Sith, there's a lot of material, minus the tracking that is great that deserves to be released. The full "Battle Over Coruscant", the "Death Of Dooku", "Goodbye, Old Friend", "Going To Utapau", "I Am The Senate", and a slew of other cues.

Hey vwing, speaking of drop me an email bigt1981 at gmail dot com with the words "Star Wars" in the subject so I don't delete the email. Let me know who you are too in the email since I wanna discuss this with you a bit further.

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2009 - 5:46 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

To me, there isn't much difference between this and other expanded albums. It's all awkward edits and film-specific messiness.


I understaned the "film specific" part, but most expanded albums I've encountered don't have awkward edits. Just the opposite in fact. The difference with the TPM-UE is that the edits are glaringly obvious. There are abrupt changes in tempo, instruments and theme obviously to fit the on screen action which had been re-edited to fit an extra battle late in the game.

Generally, expanded score albums aren't "isolated audio tracks" like this one is. They generally flow as they were meant to be heard, even if the film was greatly re-edited after the score was completed. Superman IV's FSM release is a good example of this. It's film specific but none of the cues are awkwardly edited.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2009 - 2:31 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I understaned the "film specific" part, but most expanded albums I've encountered don't have awkward edits. Just the opposite in fact. The difference with the TPM-UE is that the edits are glaringly obvious. There are abrupt changes in tempo, instruments and theme obviously to fit the on screen action which had been re-edited to fit an extra battle late in the game.

Generally, expanded score albums aren't "isolated audio tracks" like this one is. They generally flow as they were meant to be heard, even if the film was greatly re-edited after the score was completed. Superman IV's FSM release is a good example of this. It's film specific but none of the cues are awkwardly edited.


Yeah, I hear what you're saying (isolated score tracks vs. whole pieces as they were recorded on the soundstage and arranged chronologically thereafter) and I see the difference, but the effect is still very much the same in my ears. It's just as "schizophrenic" and grating in both cases.

 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2009 - 6:41 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

To each their own. I like the expanded edition because of what's on it, my only real misgivings are the sloppy edits. I am curious as to why the discs were done that way, though, even if John Williams did sign off on it. It seems like a four-thirty on a Friday afternoon decision.

 
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