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 Posted:   Jun 17, 2009 - 9:40 PM    Reply to Post
 By:   bruce marshall   (Member)

A rare case of the television adaptation being superior to the movie.
Question: have the HBO shows ever been released on video?

thanks!

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2009 - 9:41 PM    Reply to Post
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

No they haven't. The DVD release of Season 1 (the CBS episodes, which are the only ones I like) is the first ever video release of any of the TV episodes.

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2009 - 9:46 PM    Reply to Post
 By:   bruce marshall   (Member)

No they haven't. The DVD release of Season 1 (the CBS episodes, which are the only ones I like) is the first ever video release of any of the TV episodes.


I did not realize this was on for THREE SEASONS on cable!
In those days few people had it. Man, i would love to see these shows.
Eric, have you seen the HBO eps?
Good?
thanks!

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2009 - 10:04 PM    Reply to Post
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

I saw most of the last season on Showtime (it aired there, not HBO) during its original run and I still have the last episode "The Graduation" taped from the original airing and transferred. The problem I had with the show in its cable incarnation is that in the looser realm of cable TV in terms of language and sexual situations, the dynamic was changed a bit too much from the original. Hart for instance, no longer had that aura of mid-western innocence that made his character so easy to identify with. I also didn't find the supporting ensemble (Lainie Kazan as a middle-age divorcee entering law school the last season) that interesting.

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2009 - 10:06 PM    Reply to Post
 By:   bruce marshall   (Member)

interesting.
how many eps did they produce for Showtime?
thanks!

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2009 - 10:27 PM    Reply to Post
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

I think it was about 50 or so. Might have been more. I think "The Second Year" (which I never saw) was about two seasons of programs and then there was the "Third Year" and finally a last batch of episodes leading into "The Graduation."

Ford and Bell were the only other holdover characters from the original, along with Kingsfield's secretary Mrs. Nottingham. I doubt very much Robert Ginty (Anderson) and Francine Tacker (Logan) would have wanted to come back, especially since they themselves had gotten married to each other and then divorced by the time the revival commenced. Since I never saw "The Second Year" I have no idea if they ever mentioned what happened to Anderson and Logan.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2009 - 4:28 AM    Reply to Post
 By:   Gary S.   (Member)

Jane Kazmareck(Malcolm in the Middle) was on the Showtime version of the show. So was Penny Johnson (DS9 and 24). Funny, but wen I was in law school back in the late 1970s we had a middle aged housewife start law school. I have the entire Showtime run on videotape.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2009 - 5:57 AM    Reply to Post
 By:   Dan Hobgood   (Member)

Not to seem to change the topic, but another television spin-off better than the film it is based on would be current show Friday Night Lights. Okay film, engrossing show.

Dan

P.S: Don't get why people cared for the movie The Paper Chase; I saw it years ago, to prep myself for law school, and thought the film stunk.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2009 - 8:11 AM    Reply to Post
 By:   psicorpsranger   (Member)

interesting.
how many eps did they produce for Showtime?
thanks!


Here's the episode listing.

http://www.epguides.com/PaperChase/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paper_Chase_(TV_series)

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2009 - 10:16 AM    Reply to Post
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I thought the film was so-so (but with some values), and I didn't like the Heart character, but I was always curious about the TV series spin-off.

Here's the thread I did on the film just a couple of months ago:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=58776&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2009 - 1:19 PM    Reply to Post
 By:   bruce marshall   (Member)

hurrah!
my library acquired the series on dvd!

After 30 years I only remembered two eps:
the shroud
the demolition of the tavern

btw why are the prints in such bad shape?
Eric?

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2009 - 1:25 PM    Reply to Post
 By:   bruce marshall   (Member)

I thought the film was so-so (but with some values), and I didn't like the Heart character, but I was always curious about the TV series spin-off.

Here's the thread I did on the film just a couple of months ago:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=58776&forumID=1&archive=0


thanks!
very surprised to read that Houseman was jewish.

even more surprised to read he was married.
if you know what I mean

what a character - what a great job of acting

"Miss Logan, will you please stop your babbling"?!

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2009 - 1:27 PM    Reply to Post
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Unfortunately the show just hasn't been remastered by Fox, the providers of those prints. However there are some episodes you'll see in the set that do look remastered but they suffer from slight speed-up (you'll notice it in the theme music), which indicates a partial remastering with speed-up for syndication some years back. I remember that only 13 select episodes aired on PBS stations in the early 80s prior to the Showtime revival.

You'll notice also how the pilot episode differs somewhat from the show as it took shape, which had Hart working in a pizza joint instead of Ernie's Tavern and Marilu Henner as a potential non-law student girlfriend (obviously her taking a part on "Taxi" which debuted that same season pre-empted her from returning). Also, we had the more annoying O'Connor who was replaced for the series by Francine Tacker's Logan.

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2009 - 1:28 PM    Reply to Post
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

even more surprised to read he was married.
if you know what I mean


"You were not in full possession of THE FACTS, Mr. Marshall!" big grin

His first wife was Zita Johann, the object of Boris Karloff's obsession in the original "The Mummy."

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2009 - 1:45 PM    Reply to Post
 By:   bruce marshall   (Member)

Unfortunately the show just hasn't been remastered by Fox, the providers of those prints. However there are some episodes you'll see in the set that do look remastered but they suffer from slight speed-up (you'll notice it in the theme music), which indicates a partial remastering with speed-up for syndication some years back. I remember that only 13 select episodes aired on PBS stations in the early 80s prior to the Showtime revival.

You'll notice also how the pilot episode differs somewhat from the show as it took shape, which had Hart working in a pizza joint instead of Ernie's Tavern and Marilu Henner as a potential non-law student girlfriend (obviously her taking a part on "Taxi" which debuted that same season pre-empted her from returning). Also, we had the more annoying O'Connor who was replaced for the series by Francine Tacker's Logan.


yeah i noticed the cast changes.
the only negative aspect of the show is the acting.
Logan, Ford and some other students were not well played imho

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2009 - 1:46 PM    Reply to Post
 By:   bruce marshall   (Member)

even more surprised to read he was married.
if you know what I mean


"You were not in full possession of THE FACTS, Mr. Marshall!" big grin

His first wife was Zita Johann, the object of Boris Karloff's obsession in the original "The Mummy."


well Charles laughton was married also.
if you know what i mean

Manderley - care to enlighten my prurience?

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2009 - 1:50 PM    Reply to Post
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

well Charles laughton was married also.
if you know what i mean


Yes, we do know what you mean. I can't plead knowledge on that, but will defer to others if they know.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2009 - 1:55 PM    Reply to Post
 By:   Gary S.   (Member)

I preferred the Showtime episodes on the whole. In one episode Alan(Alfred the Butler) Napier appeared as a Supreme Court Justice and old friend of Kingsfields. In an other Norman Lloyd (Dr. Aushlander from St Elsewhere and a member of the Mercury Thetare which Orson Welles and Houseman produced) appeared. My favorite may have been "My Dinner With Kingsfield". Understand, I was in law school in the late 1970s so both the movie and series reflect a fine time in my life. (Sure beats sitting in my office on a Friday night typing bankruptcy petitions)

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2009 - 1:26 PM    Reply to Post
 By:   bruce marshall   (Member)

i think some eps look bad because they were filmed, (or taken from prints), shot in 16mm

 
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