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Nice to know the "influences" are still noted 20 years later.
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Wow, it's been 20 years. I's one of my favorite Horner scores.
Henry- look who he "borrowed" from. Listen to THEIR music. They wrote it.
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Now I'm seeing why he hasn't given a concert and quite possibly never will. I be there would be someone who would pay the ticket price and go and yell out something naughty.
Horner's my favorite. I've heard similarities between all composers here and there. It's just in style to bash JH. I don't take to it!!!!
LOL
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Don't you think Horner should have acknowledged his- I'm trying to be polite here-His theft of their material?
Not until every other composer starts doing the same on everything they've ever borrowed.
Specifically whom are you referring to?
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Steve, I was just making a joke, I didn't mean to offend you.
I'm not offended- sorry you thought I would be.
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Jul 2, 2009 - 7:45 PM
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LeHah
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Specifically whom are you referring to?
Off the top of my head: John Williams, Bill Conti, Hans Zimmer, Don Davis (though a "philisophical" argument can be made), Jerry Goldsmith, Trevor Jones, Elmer Bernstein, Michael Kamen, Joel McNeely, Tyler Bates and Elliot Goldenthal (but thats picking nits since it was his college years).
This is to say - I don't grind my axe over composers using other people's material. But if you're going to damn James Horner for it, theres a long, long list of other people who should come first.
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Steve, I was just making a joke, I didn't mean to offend you.
I'm not offended- sorry you thought I would be.
You just seemed angry. I'm a Horner fan, but I didn't realize that he used other peoples music for "Glory".
I get a little teed when I see people give him undeserved credit, that's all. He's composed some good scores without resorting to this borrowing situation. I genuinely like his early 80's scores and I think NATTY GANN is exemplary.
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Jul 2, 2009 - 8:04 PM
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BlindDoc
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Hmmmm Steve,
I swore i would never get into anything as silly as this.
BUT - EVERYONE - there I agree with LeHah - "steals" from others. This might be because of temp tracking or whatever - but all composers do it - new, old, young - everyone.
Horner, Goldsmith, Goblin, Carpenter - you can notice it EVERYWHERE.
Who's to blame? In the end, it is the studio that has to face lawsuits. I'm not in, from or near the business but as long as there's enough originality in the score to give it a distinct identity, let it be. Some will take things as a nod, others as theft. Private policemen are not nice people.
Let's take a hack at "God" Goldsmith for example:
1. Play either "Rhythm Of The Heat" (1982) or the reworked version for the score to Birdy called "The Heat" (1985) from Peter Garbriel and listen good
2. Put in "The Victim" from Criminal Law (1988) by Jerry.
Listen, then no further words are necessary.
THEN tell anyone here only Horner steals.
Stop the tiresome nerdy bashing "it's been there, been done, been stolen" until YOU compose something entirely original with NO resemblance to anything you've ever heard in your life.
Damn, î'm tired of that arrogance.
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