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 Posted:   Aug 23, 2009 - 6:51 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

One of Goldsmith's scores that hasn't been discussed on the board that much.

I recently viewed the film after so many years of seeing it originally.

I kind of like the maestro's opening sequence scoring where we first hear the main theme.

It has a definite "from another time" feeling about it. I like the orchestrations and instruments used and it works very well with seeing the elders walking through the town towards the tower prison holding the Warlock. It has a nice feeling of anticipation, that something interesting is coming and is about to happen. Jerry sets this up quite well. Very mysterious and mystical. I just like the cool sounds he came up with for this.

The film itself, in parts is quite cheesy in it's acting and some of the special effects.

I do like the atmosphere that Goldsmith gives it however with all of it's short comings.

From a man who has given us hundreds of themes, I like how Warlock in it's main theme, is so different from a lot of what he has produced.

I would be curious to find out more about Goldsmith's working relationship with director Steve Miner. The two worked together again on FOREVER YOUNG.

Please share you thought on WARLOCK, film and score.

Thanks,

Zoob

Also, how many of you own this quite rare CD Soundtrack?

I picked up the original LP on first release and also was lucky to get the CD when that first came out.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B000000O65/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_1?ie=UTF8&index=1

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2009 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   joffa   (Member)

The film is clever, witty, and under-rated. Richard E Grant and Lori Singer are both very good, although Julian Sands is his usual over-acting self. The score - when it is discussed around here - is usually regarded as a guilty pleasure, an attitude I've never quite understood. For me, it's one of Goldsmith's gems, a good demonstration of what he is able to achieve with limited resources (mainly the small budget). It has beautiful themes, clever use of electronics, and some typically brilliant action music. It's not a major work from Goldsmith to be sure, but it ranks alongside scores such as "Leviathan" for me.

As an aside, the scoring sessions for a film I worked on were held at the same Melbourne studios where "Warlock" was recorded, a fact I excitedly shared with the director. We walked in to the studio reception and there among the many movie posters on the wall was the "Warlock" poster! I never knew why "Warlock" was recorded in Australia, although I always assumed Jerry Goldsmith had tagged the sessions onto the end of those for one of the Fred Schepisi films he scored (probably for budgetary reasons). But to be in the same studios where the "Warlock" score was recorded was pretty exciting.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2009 - 8:07 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

My first exposure to the score was hearing a clip from "The Sentence" at Deconstructing Goldsmith. It did not move me in the slightest.

A couple years later, I caught the film on cable. In spite of the questionable effects, I really enjoyed it. David Twohy's script is chock full of good lines, many delivered by Richard E. Grant (who was terrific).

My opinion on Goldsmith's score changed radically. I love both of the themes here: the Warlock's electronic theme (given a fantastic orchestral rendition toward the end) and Redferne's quietly noble motif.

I wouldn't say it's worth the price advertised at Amazon.com, but it truly is an underappreciated work in the Goldsmith canon.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2009 - 9:11 PM   
 By:   Silence Is Golden   (Member)

Guilty pleasure of a movie for sure. I haven't seen it in years but everytime it was on HBO or Cinemax, i had to watch it. Goldsmith's score was brilliant and very unique for a film that at times didn't deserve it. I hope that Intrada could re-issue this one as a remastered edition possibily with extra tracks if any. I sorely miss this one on CD.

Is the movie on DVD? Anyone?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2009 - 11:21 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

It's a vastly underated Goldsmith effort..

And too be honest there are a number of ideas in this score that he would later developed and expanded in his score to BASIC INSTINCT.

If you have any doubts, play both of them and make up your own mind.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2009 - 11:57 PM   
 By:   mulan98   (Member)

I was rather lucky with this one.

The movie's distributor in the UK sent a guy to my cinema to contribute to our marketing campaign.

He gave me the LP soundtrack.

I would've bought it anyway though!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2009 - 12:48 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

One of those seminal Goldsmith scores that surprised and delighted me because it was unlike any he had done. These are the ones I absolutely lived for. It was detested by some when it came out. Was one of the few latter Goldsmith scores that, for me, broke new ground.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2009 - 1:31 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Here's a review of the score from the past:

http://www.filmtracks.com/titles/warlock.html

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2009 - 2:01 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I like the film and the score very much. Very underrated. I think people were expecting another Poltergeist / The Omen when they got wind of Goldsmith doing another horror movie. The score isn't that straight forward, it's very hypnotic and mysterious and only explodes in the final cues (and what a beautifully scored ending!)

One problem I have with the CD is that the mix (both on the Intrada and the Silva Screen release) is crap, it could have sounded so much better.

Also there are complete synth layers missing from the tracks on those albums (particulary "Nails") which annoys me.

With this score being OOP and keeping the above in mind, it needs a re-release IMO. The movie also needs a better release cause that full screen version sucks.

 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2009 - 5:06 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

This is an interesting score with some odd effects. I have to admit that it didn't grab me right away, but over time I have warmed up somewhat to it.

The (sort of) sequel score by Mark McKenzie is quite good. The sound on the CD isn't that great, but is much more in the action/adventure vein.

 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2009 - 5:28 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I remember this and LEVIATHAN came out pretty much at the same time. In fact, I think I received both CDs in the same mailing.

I was told that 'an insider' had said Warlock was the greatest thing Jerry had done to date. When I received it, I realise I was just being set up. I was well disappointed when I heard it. (I preferred Leviathan.)

Undeterred, I wanted to show Goldsmith 'on screen' off to my new university pals. So I talked them into seeing Warlock, Leviathan and Star Trek 5. Bad move! They hated all three, Warlock worst of all. (Yes, they preferred Star Trek 5!) And I got a reputation for being into some 'noisy composer who does really bad sci fi films'. An unfair generalisation to be sure, but when all you've got to go on is Leviathan, Warlock and Star Trek 5, well ... let's just say I picked an unlucky trio to try and show off Goldsmith 'on film' to my '89 friends.

Anyway - shock horror! - years later, I sold my Warlock CD to a 2nd hand shop. (Where it was promptly bought by a friend of mine!) I don't hate it. And I acknowledge there were some interesting ideas. But when it comes right down to it, I've just never felt any 'pull' towards this score. And I never played it after a couple of years.

But that's just me.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2009 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

I like the film and the score very much. Very underrated. I think people were expecting another Poltergeist / The Omen when they got wind of Goldsmith doing another horror movie. The score isn't that straight forward, it's very hypnotic and mysterious and only explodes in the final cues (and what a beautifully scored ending!)

One problem I have with the CD is that the mix (both on the Intrada and the Silva Screen release) is crap, it could have sounded so much better.

Also there are complete synth layers missing from the tracks on those albums (particulary "Nails") which annoys me.

With this score being OOP and keeping the above in mind, it needs a re-release IMO. The movie also needs a better release cause that full screen version sucks.


WARLOCK exemplifies how much Goldsmith did not literally repeat himself (unlike some composers). He approached this horror movie with subtlety and intelligence.



 
 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2009 - 7:00 AM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

It's a vastly underated Goldsmith effort..

And too be honest there are a number of ideas in this score that he would later developed and expanded in his score to BASIC INSTINCT.

If you have any doubts, play both of them and make up your own mind.


Ford A. Thaxton


He didn't repeat himself verbatim in this score; however, he did use some cool techniques such as that tick tocking stereo effect.

What is that anyway? In WARLOCK, it sounds like some sort of wooden instrument processed through an echoplex.





 
 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2009 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Here's a review of the score from the past:

http://www.filmtracks.com/titles/warlock.html


About that review:

read it... if you equate great film music to the number of themes a score has.

avoid it... at all cost.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2009 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

I own the Silva Screen release and I`ve said it before (maybe elsewhere) but I still think that track 8, Nails is the only really good one and in my opinion the rest is only decent (for a Goldsmith score). However I did like the movie. Miner is one of my favorite directors. If I am not wrong I think that Miner initially wanted Goldsmith on Halloween H20, that would have been cool.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2009 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   Marko   (Member)



I actually forced myself to watch this film a few years ago. The only thing I can say is that I hope Goldsmith's score gets a re-issue or I can find a cheap copy of the original. I quite enjoyed what I heard.

 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2009 - 6:28 PM   
 By:   SheriffJoe   (Member)

The film is not great, but not horrible. The score (I have the Intrada release) is wonderful and holds a special place in my heart. I listened to this score, along with Rent-A-Cop, repeatedly while stationed at Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque. Between bouts of nose bleeds (winter in Albuquerque is NOT fun) and depression at having to be alone in hell for Christmas and my birthday, these two score brought me great joy, for two completely different types of films. Put these two side by side and realize the same man composed them. It's a bit of a shock, really.

Joe

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2009 - 7:14 PM   
 By:   Brad Wills   (Member)

The film is not great, but not horrible. The score (I have the Intrada release) is wonderful and holds a special place in my heart. I listened to this score, along with Rent-A-Cop, repeatedly while stationed at Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque. Between bouts of nose bleeds (winter in Albuquerque is NOT fun) and depression at having to be alone in hell for Christmas and my birthday, these two score brought me great joy, for two completely different types of films. Put these two side by side and realize the same man composed them. It's a bit of a shock, really.

Joe


I remember the night not long after you left for the AF when you called me from a phone booth, crying and miserable and sick...and a little drunk. Glad those scores - plus all the cassettes I sent you - were some solace.

 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2009 - 8:40 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

"Warlock: (Jerry Goldsmith) Movies about the son of Satan traveling through time to spur the end of the world can't be all that bad, although Warlock certainly tried."

The last time I listened to this was about 4 years ago. I'm playing it again to see if I can raise my opinion a few notches.

This one IS a bottlecap in my Goldsmith library.

Too synthy...

 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2009 - 9:11 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

I'm enjoying it more tonight.

In places.

When it's not too synthy.....

I hear hints of Jerry GOLD in it-

Actually better than I remembered. I scratched my head over his scoring this one back in Nineteen hundred and eighty-nine.

 
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