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 Posted:   Nov 4, 2009 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   Adam S   (Member)

I've heard Williams refer to his "serious" concert works as opportunities to work through technical problems. And at the very least all his concertos are very difficult compositions, showing off both the soloist and JW's technical and musical prowess with an orchestra. His best concertos, for me, bridge the gap between his film music and the more modern, "advanced" type of orchestra writing. My favorite is probably his bassoon concerto which has some very pretty passages. Its more accessible than most while still taking advantage of the freedom of not having to be tied to a film. The melodies lines can be longer and not so emotionally direct but still, at his best, achieving something moving in the subtleties and complexities. It demands a little more of the listener but I've grown to like some of his concertos. At the same time, the flute concerto would be an example of the other extreme, and I don't have much use for it, however impressive it may be in pure technical terms.

But it all lends credence to Williams statement that he doesn't have a style. He's about as chameleon as it gets and still be the same person. I think a lot of people are surprised, I was too, at how different his concert music is but it makes sense from the point of view of someone who is well-versed in so many musical languages and brings completely different solutions to what are, after all, too very different challenges - film and the concert hall.

- Adam

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2009 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

He also wrote a harp concerto just this year -- there was a thread here about it a bit ago. Don't remember when they said it'd be performed.

Yeah, I mentioned that just a couple of posts up. It had its premiere on September 23.

estgrey, I don't play the flute concerto very often either. IMO, it belongs in Williams' most avantgarde terrain - alongside IMAGES, tracks like "Barry's Abduction" from CE3K or some of that dissonant Irwin Allen TV stuff. But if I'm in the mood, it can be a rewarding experience.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2009 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   Gary S.   (Member)

I can't wait for these to come out. One of my favorite recordings of the 1812 Overture is by the DSO (back in the LP era conducted by Antal Dorati). I hope they perform them live in some of the upcoming concert dates. Sadly the man who conducted the DSO pops for their last Williams laden concert has passed away recently, a felllow by the name of Kunzel, I am now kicking myself for missing that and Dave Grusin's recent concert with the DSO.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2009 - 3:45 PM   
 By:   antipodean   (Member)

I wouldn't be interested in hearing every note from these. I'd prefer they released maybe 10 minutes from each. That would make a far better listening experience IMHO.

Listening to excerpts, especially from unfamiliar works, is good way to be introduced to a particular composer's music, but wouldn't you eventually want to progress to the entire work as your taste matures?

For example, I have a CD which contains one movement from each of Beethoven's string quartets, designed to introduce listeners to the repertoire - but it would be a rather shallow experience indeed if the listener decided that the sampler with its bits-and-pieces was enough for him or her. I mean, how does one know which is "a far better listening experience" if one hasn't actually heard the works in their entirety?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2009 - 3:51 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Listening to excerpts, especially from unfamiliar works, is good way to be introduced to a particular composer's music, but wouldn't you eventually want to progress to the entire work as your taste matures?

I'm sorry you took this seriously. I was taking the piss out of Thor and his preference for abridged presentations!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2009 - 7:56 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Excellent news for Williams admirers, but I have yet to hear a concert work of his that I like.

Do you like any of his film music?



Yes, very much alot of his film music is wonderful, not one of my favorite composers, but I love many of his scores especially some of his earlier works like "Jane Eyre" etc.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2009 - 5:06 AM   
 By:   antipodean   (Member)

I'm sorry you took this seriously. I was taking the piss out of Thor and his preference for abridged presentations!

Don't be. As a matter of fact:

(i) I have absolutely no problems with Thor's preferences when it comes to his choice of music,

and

(ii) you have no idea how often I have heard newbies (or maybe I should say "wannabes") in the concert hall commenting on exactly that kind of thing: "The slow movements made it drag too long. If they only played the first and last movements, and skipped the middle two, it would have been perfect." (I'm sure in time they'll figure it out. Or not.)

 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2009 - 7:26 AM   
 By:   MaurizioCaschetto   (Member)

It's great that finally a very fine conductor at the helm of a prestigious symphony orchestra decided to give Williams' concert output its due respect. A good deal of Williams' concert works has already been officially recorded and released, but it's great nonetheless that we will be treated with new readings. Slatkin has always been a N°1 fan of Williams' concert-hall compositions and he performs them quite regularly.

I wonder if Slatkin will take the opportunity to record also some other unreleased Williams' orchestral concert works (like "Soundings", "for Seiji!" and "Seven for Luck") to be paired with the concertos.

 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2009 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

1991 - Concerto for Clarinet and Orchestra (although the mp3.com release sounds like crap!)

The recording is simply awful! Would love to see a good recording of it.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2009 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Yes, it will be lovely if, as someone said above, all of these concerti will be recorded and released in Williams' lifetime. Right now, I'm hoping and praying it will be recorded and released in Mr. Slatkin's lifetime. He just suffered a heart attack while conducting a concert -- which he went on to complete, not realizing what was happening to himself -- and has now cancelled his next two weeks' worth of concerts.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2009 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   Imperialsound   (Member)

In fact I prefer the Slatkin recording of the Violion Concerto.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2009 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

Yes, it will be lovely if, as someone said above, all of these concerti will be recorded and released in Williams' lifetime. Right now, I'm hoping and praying it will be recorded and released in Mr. Slatkin's lifetime. He just suffered a heart attack while conducting a concert -- which he went on to complete, not realizing what was happening to himself -- and has now cancelled his next two weeks' worth of concerts.

He's lucky to be alive. Two weeks' rest before resuming work does not seem long enough to recuperate.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 5, 2009 - 5:32 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

We can only hope that cooler heads will prevail, as the saying goes.

 
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