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 Posted:   Nov 24, 2009 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   Ain Soph Aur   (Member)

I know that a lot of people say that Zimmer scores usually sound the same. They kinda do; I don't really mind because the music fits the film. But what irks me is that pretty much everything he writes is in the same KEY: Da Vinci Code, Dark Knight, Pirates of the Carribbean, Hannibal, King Arthur, and I'm sure many others, all feature scores my Zimmer that are primarily (or almost entirely) in D-minor. It's easier for me to notice because I have perfect pitch, but this has bugged the crap out of me for several years. Does Hans Zimmer just have a thing for D-minor, or is that the only key in which he knows how to write well? Anyone have any theories?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2009 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   DJ3J   (Member)

I know that a lot of people say that Zimmer scores usually sound the same. They kinda do; I don't really mind because the music fits the film. But what irks me is that pretty much everything he writes is in the same KEY: Da Vinci Code, Dark Knight, Pirates of the Carribbean, Hannibal, King Arthur, and I'm sure many others, all feature scores my Zimmer that are primarily (or almost entirely) in D-minor. It's easier for me to notice because I have perfect pitch, but this has bugged the crap out of me for several years. Does Hans Zimmer just have a thing for D-minor, or is that the only key in which he knows how to write well?

I've noticed this as well and even some of his minions use the same key (and same progressions). However, based on my own personal experience and hearing what others say, sometimes a composer is just naturally magnetic to certain keys. Like with me, for some inexplicable reason I love writing in Bb...usually incorporating different modes but when I sit down to write my fingers always root in Bb. Now, of course, I usually try to move the pattern for some variety....but yeah.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2009 - 1:50 AM   
 By:   Greg Phillips   (Member)

I just wish I could read, write and understand music the way you guys do - you're blessed with a wonderful gift and ability - now, I'll just go and sob quietly in the corner!! wink

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2009 - 1:57 AM   
 By:   Ain Soph Aur   (Member)

I just wish I could read, write and understand music the way you guys do - you're blessed with a wonderful gift and ability - now, I'll just go and sob quietly in the corner!! wink

big grin Hearing all the little nuances in music is a blessing and a curse, man. I can't tell you how many times I had to pass on an otherwise gorgeous recording because of a single botched note.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2009 - 4:35 AM   
 By:   Vincent Gillioz   (Member)

Hans Zimmer confirms it in a documentary by the French/German channel Arte where he says that D minor is his favorite key.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2009 - 5:25 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Hans Zimmer confirms it in a documentary by the French/German channel Arte where he says that D minor is his favorite key.

It's one of my favourites too, which is one of the reasons why I connect to Zimmer's music so much.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2009 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

However, based on my own personal experience and hearing what others say, sometimes a composer is just naturally magnetic to certain keys.

This is true -- Beethoven for instance loved C Minor.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2009 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   reneintoys   (Member)

However, based on my own personal experience and hearing what others say, sometimes a composer is just naturally magnetic to certain keys.

This is true -- Beethoven for instance loved C Minor.


And you probably don't mean the dog right?? wink

Zimmer is an incredible Kraftwerk fan, don't they use the D-minor key aswell??

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2009 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

However, based on my own personal experience and hearing what others say, sometimes a composer is just naturally magnetic to certain keys.

This is true -- Beethoven for instance loved C Minor.


And you probably don't mean the dog right?? wink

Zimmer is an incredible Kraftwerk fan, don't they use the D-minor key aswell??


Never thought about that, but now that you mention it...

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2009 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   ryankeaveney   (Member)

Anyone contributing to a Hans Zimmer score writes in D-minor. It's just standard practice that they all write in D-minor so that the seams blend.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2009 - 10:20 AM   
 By:   Alexborn007   (Member)

Well, it is the saddest of all keys...

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2009 - 11:19 AM   
 By:   Nix   (Member)


This is true -- Beethoven for instance loved C Minor.


heh... I'm always drawn to C Minor as well. Must be why I love Beethoven so much. This is an interesting topic... what other keys do composers like to use? I'm gonna go listen to some stuff and report back!

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2009 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   Mister L   (Member)

Little OT, but years ago me and my friend used to have lots of
conversations about Zimmer, and always talking turned to "orchestral hits" which
he used quite a lot back then. After gladiator i somehow lost my interest, not because i was
bored with his music but maybe because that particular score just filled my stomach. And it
was brilliant! I went on listening other composers....
Then i watched pirates of caribian, and.....there it was again, taa taa taa ta taa and so on... And i just smiled!!!! Later my friend told me Hans had a bunch of people (Klaus Badelt etc.) making that kind of music so i was even more amused! Old times were here again!
Zimmer is a very fine composer, and i´d like to "find" him again. But i´m in a hurry with other scorers.....

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2009 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   TheSeeker   (Member)

This reminds me of one the first things I "composed" after getting some notation software back in 2006. It was brief and simple, lacked any kind of style or technique, but was in d minor. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2009 - 3:21 PM   
 By:   Kakihara   (Member)

I have no idea what you are talking about and I own all of Zimmer's scores released on cd. Whatever the key of D-minor is, I love it!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2009 - 10:00 PM   
 By:   antipodean   (Member)

This is true -- Beethoven for instance loved C Minor.

Even more than that, Beethoven has a number of works (at least three I can think of offhand) which begin in C minor, but end in C major.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2016 - 5:34 AM   
 By:   PianistGirl   (Member)

I have perfect pitch as well and spotted long time ago the D-minor of Hans Zimmer soundtracks. In my opinion D minor is very good for holding a dramatic tension while not getting too dark. It's dominant is A major, which sounds very strong, especially with a base of G and proceeding through D6 it has the possibility for B flat major.

Additionally D minor is a very good key for most instruments in an orchestra, most instruments have a good range in D minor so it brings out the maximum potential.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2016 - 5:42 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I have perfect pitch as well and spotted long time ago the D-minor of Hans Zimmer soundtracks. In my opinion D minor is very good for holding a dramatic tension while not getting too dark. It's dominant is A major, which sounds very strong, especially with a base of G and proceeding through D6 it has the possibility for B flat major.

Additionally D minor is a very good key for most instruments in an orchestra, most instruments have a good range in D minor so it brings out the maximum potential.



Y'know, I was just about to say the same thing.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2016 - 7:11 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


Additionally D minor is a very good key for most instruments in an orchestra, most instruments have a good range in D minor so it brings out the maximum potential.


Yup, not just range, but how well the music 'lays' on the instrument is always a big factor -- there's a reason there's a huge number of wind ensemble works in Bb and Eb, especially ones geared toward pedagogical use. Whereas orchestral music tends toward sharp keys because it works better for strings.

 
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