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copied from the other OL thread:
GOOD NEWS - the motherlode of Outer Limits Season 2 exist online. Bad news is they're only available as stream-only files. High quality downloads are only purchasable for folks in the TV/Film Industry.
Still, everyone can play the complete cues for free on their computer!
http://www2.playkpmmusic.com/pages/viewcd/viewcd.cfm?cdnum=5774
The First 15 cues are just variations of the same two cues used in ONE STEP BEYOND (including the reworked ending for Outer Limits), but the rest are the OUTER LIMITS cues, followed by some FX-type cues. Lots of theremin, novachord, etc. The above cd is under MAIN SERIES entitled CAR 401 CLASSIC SCIENCE FICTION.
CAS 34 - MURDER HORROR DRAMA also has a couple additional OUTER LIMITS & ONE STEP BEYOND cues.
http://www2.playkpmmusic.com/pages/viewcd/viewcd.cfm?cdnum=4894
You can find all his cds, and individual cues on compilations with other composers, by clicking on the DATABASE button on top, and then entering only LUBIN in the Composers Surname search window on the left.
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But if they are "only available as low quality", what is the bother?
Never mind. Someone in the field needs to PAY bank before the high quality cues are released in a pretty pink bow kind of, "Nice Way"!
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well the quality to listen isn't THAT bad...go check them out. Play track 13 on the "a" disc....OUTER LIMITS end title. Also as the original post states the tracks exist in high quality for industry pros. Licensing fees...??
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sounds like the real theremin to me David.....not precise enough for electro
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do you have any OUTER LIMITS cue sheets for Lubin?
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According to the song titles on the site, Lubin was using a Trautonium and a Novachord and it clearly says "theremin"...I'm pretty sure my ear detects the real deal (unsteady pitch and the way the vibrato sounds) ONE STEP BEYOND is theremin for sure.
HARRY LUBIN - One Step Beyond
Thereminst: Dr. Samuel J. Hoffman
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I pulled out my copy of David Schow's updated OUTER LIMITS COMPANION and there's a great 2 page chapter on Lubin and the music...he says it was theremin and Ondes Martenot used on OL...but the website says Trautonium...
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I think this online collection is amazing news. But no one seems to have explained why it has happened. I mean how did Carlin get the tracks? Why have these been released as library cues and not on a commercial CD?
Anyway, there's quite a lot of Lubin's OL stuff but certainly not all of it. For instance, my favourite Lubin score is Demon With A Glass Hand, and so far I've only found a couple of cues from that (one of them was played at double speed by mistake!!!).
We need a REAL Outer Limits nut to identify which library cues belong to which episode. Any takers?
yeah, Heath....I felt the same. But there are more cues on the MURDER HORROR DRAMA Lubin CD on the site, and I haven't checked any of the other genre libraries on there for Lubin (which may contain other cues) I am not as much of an "expert" on the season 2 cues & episodes to tell anyone what went where...I think "Thomas Banaceck" would be the guy to ask.
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I'm not saying it's wrong, but I know that almost everyone who ever wrote about THIS ISLAND EARTH swore there was a Theremin in there, and there wasn't -- it was vibraphone and cellos. Just because somebody writes something doesn't make it correct. I' might want to see the Musician's Union session sheets before stating for sure what was used. I have some Theremin experts who play Theremin who occasionally can't tell what something is. Read nearly any book about Japanese monster movies that discusses the music -- even those that go into great depths about the music -- and you'll hear all about Ifukube's and others' use of the Theremin, but he and the others were almost always using a musical saw. A lot of weird effects that people have been wrong about turned out to be instruments being manipulated by playing through an early synthesizer by Jack Cookerly, nicknamed "The Magic Box."
well I never thought there was any theremin on THIS ISLAND EARTH or Japanese films (I knew it was a saw), and since Dr. Hoffmann (DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL) is credited with his work on Lubin's music I feel confident in what I believe I am hearing being a theremin (I also owned one back in the 70s) The tone quality and vibrato on the tracks are standard for the instrument (listen to the solo tracks) Jack Cookerly is on the site with William Loose on other CDs and credited, which he is not on the Lubin discs.
If Lubin was using a theremin in combination with Martenot/Trautonium that could account for any unfamiliar sounds you hear.
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I'm not familiar with Lubin's work.
To learn more about Lubin's "The Outer Limits", read the chapter "Demon with a Brass Band" on page 289 and 290 from "The Outer Limits Companion". It's never clear about what is original and what is recycled.
We need a La-La Land release so that the producer has access to the cue sheets otherwise it's mission: impossible.
PS: I am more interested in Dominic Frontiere's "Stoney Burke" (1962-1963) which is the genesis of "The Outer Limits".
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Feb 12, 2010 - 8:14 AM
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I mean how did Carlin get the tracks? Why have these been released as library cues and not on a commercial CD?
The Carlin company said that the publishers who own the rights to the music made the decision to only release them via production libraries. Maybe they get more money that way, but I bet they just don't know there's a cult demand for these cues.
Anyway, there's quite a lot of Lubin's OL stuff but certainly not all of it.
Check out CAS 34 - MURDER HORROR DRAMA. There are some OL cues there. Track "34 Suicide Attempt" was used alot, esp. in PREMONITION. Some of the short DRAMA chords were probably used. "47. Monster Grab" too, (either in OL or 1SBeyond). The other Lubin cds and individual tracks might have been used in OL, too.
For instance, my favourite Lubin score is Demon With A Glass Hand, and so far I've only found a couple of cues from that (one of them was played at double speed by mistake!!!).
I haven't played all the cues thru, but I heard the opening and closing theme for DEMON w/HAND. Parts of the theremin-only piece "22. Dead Planet" on 401B cd seem to have been used in the opening and elsewhere. Also some organ-type bits from "43. Magnetic Shield." Closing theme on CAS 36 - TRAGEDY AND ROMANCE 13. Sullen Mood (last minute of cue).
I'd like to find the tinkling "suspense" music (more like an ambient sound) around 39 minutes in, as Culp runs thru the building, before he shoots up the time machine.
On a tangent, the next cue "23. Secret Seance" almost sounds like the start of Courages STREK theme, as well as Horner's Spock theme.
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Sounds as if Lubin was a "new age" music guy way before there was such a term. I really get off on hearing a composer incorporate all the esoteric electronic instruments of his day into the music (theremin, Novachord, organ, Ondes/Trautonium)...something which was way ahead of the loop in music circles...stuff commonly used and taken for granted today.
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