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 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 3:51 AM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

(To avoid changing the discussion to unmentionables, I will be referring to the score as heard in specific film scenes)

Does anyone else think that Spider-Man 3 was one of, if not THE most missed opportunity for a score release in 2007? It has become my favorite Christopher Young score to date, mostly due to the excellent themes written for the movie. I was initially sceptical at first when I heard Young was replacing Elfman, mostly because I knew him as a horror composer first and foremost. But Young delivered amazing new themes while cleverly referencing 'old' themes like the Goblin.

The Sandman's theme is utterly brilliant, being both menacing and tragic at the same time. The Black-Suited Spidey theme rivals Elfman's main theme in my opinion, and Venom's hellish theme is just awe-inspiring and horrific!

To my knowledge, Young hasn't composed anything with as many themes in it as Spider-Man 3 to date. Thoughts? I can assume a release at this point is unlikely.... (?)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 4:38 AM   
 By:   Marcato   (Member)

(To avoid changing the discussion to unmentionables, I will be referring to the score as heard in specific film scenes)

Does anyone else think that Spider-Man 3 was one of, if not THE most missed opportunity for a score release in 2007? It has become my favorite Christopher Young score to date, mostly due to the excellent themes written for the movie. I was initially sceptical at first when I heard Young was replacing Elfman, mostly because I knew him as a horror composer first and foremost. But Young delivered amazing new themes while cleverly referencing 'old' themes like the Goblin.

The Sandman's theme is utterly brilliant, being both menacing and tragic at the same time. The Black-Suited Spidey theme rivals Elfman's main theme in my opinion, and Venom's hellish theme is just awe-inspiring and horrific!

To my knowledge, Young hasn't composed anything with as many themes in it as Spider-Man 3 to date. Thoughts? I can assume a release at this point is unlikely.... (?)




Intrada is your friend wink - don't give up hope

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 6:47 AM   
 By:   DannyBiker   (Member)

That Black suit theme is way too cheesy for me. I mean, it's a fine theme and while not really original, it gets stuck in your head. But it lacks the subtlety and the variations of the Elfman's one. The first appearance of the Black Suit summarizes that "In your face" approach; when Young's theme kicks in, it plays so loudly that I can't avoid a smile - "How to score a film for the dummies"...
Then again, you could tell me that Young didn't get a proper chance, his score being treated as bas as Elfman's for Spidey 2.
You could also tell me that Young wrote a score that sounds like a (good) score for a TV Cartoon because well, Spidey 3 was the most comic-booky film of the series. That would be true also...
Yet, I still feel that his music is out of place most of time; nothing to do with the quality of the music itself.

Anyway, I'm sure his work will get released eventually.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 7:50 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Does anyone else think that Spider-Man 3 was one of, if not THE most missed opportunity for a score release in 2007?

Yup. The score was a full-blood affair and its a shame that it hasn't seen the light of day.

The Sandman's theme is utterly brilliant, being both menacing and tragic at the same time.

For me, the best cue by far is the music as Sandman reforms himself in the sandpit. That was a triumph of filmmusic of the like we only got from Goldsmith usually. Absolutely *perfect*.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   dogplant   (Member)

For me, the best cue by far is the music as Sandman reforms himself in the sandpit. That was a triumph of filmmusic of the like we only got from Goldsmith usually. Absolutely *perfect*.

Ooh, yeah. That scene was like an abstract modern art masterpiece, beautifully conceived and animated, and then Chris Young's score really took it to another level, adding empathy, sadness and resolve. I loved it when Sandman reaches for the locket containing the picture of his daughter, stretching out his big crumbling, sandy paw, which just dissolves on impact, and then he musters up his will and solidifies, and the music rises with him. Wonderful stuff.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 9:49 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

In terms of soundtrack releases, this one is easily deserving of it.

I think the main issue people may have to the score is that there is something slightly jarring when it transitions between Young and Elfman, but I love this one.

There is some great material for both the Sandman and that black goo that I heard in the movie.

BTW, speaking of Christopher young, I was fortunate to meet him twice, once at a Dark Delicacies CD Signing, and once in passing at the FSM/SAE booth at Comic-Con, and he is one of the nicest, most humble people you could ever meet.

When he signed my Species CD, he added "you're the best", and on the Urban Legend promo, he signed it with "thanks for listening".

He was short changed with getting this score out there, and this score definately deserves to be released.

Intrada? FSM? Varese?

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   TheSeeker   (Member)

Having heard what I've been told to be Young's complete score for Spider-Man 3, I have to agree that this one should have had a CD release. So much for Young's work for smaller and/or lesser films is put out on disc, but the score for one of 2007's sure-fire blockbusters isn't. A damn pity.

My favourite piece is still the jazzy mansion fight between Harry and Peter. Outstanding! Overall, Spider-Man 3 makes for a highly engaging and satisfying listen (and one of the most brassy in recent years) and overall is my favourite CY score.

CK

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

My favourite piece is still the jazzy mansion fight between Harry and Peter. Outstanding!

Words can't express how stoked I was to finally hear this cue away from the movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

Another highlight was Young's use of the Goblin theme as heroic during the final battle. Not to belittle Elfman, I never cared for the theme in the first film, but Young managed to get something extra out of the same notes. And it was cool to hear a horrific approach to Venom and the black goo - in that respect, Young was the perfect composer for the task.

Especially after hearing Young's superb score for Raimi's last film, DRAG ME TO HELL, I kind of picture their styles going hand-in-hand, particularly Young's creepy, seemingly ever-present choir.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

Young's score for The Gift is gorgeous, too. Very underrated, much like the film.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   Jon A. Bell   (Member)

Young's score for The Gift is gorgeous, too. Very underrated, much like the film.

Also, if you're a Chris Young fan and haven't picked up his score to "Creation," grab it now -- it's incredibly beautiful.

[Edited: "can" -- how did that slip in?!]

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   TheSeeker   (Member)

Chris Young can?

That had me laughing right here in the office... big grin

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   Trent B   (Member)

From what I was told, supposedly the reason why we never saw a score release for Spider-Man 3 was because of Elfman. They used Elfman's themes with out his permission and when he found out he was pretty pissed off about it. I'm sure he got some strings pulled and made it so Sony couldn't release a CD that contained his themes. Which is kind of funny because I always thought that Young made Elfman's original Spider-Man themes more alive than what Elfman did himself.

There is a foot-warmer version of Spider-Man 3's score and truth be told I like this score a lot more than Elfman's other two. Ya the foot-warmers for Elfman's first two have a few cues here and there that are good but I just prefer Spider-Man 3 as a whole.

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

From what I was told, supposedly the reason why we never saw a score release for Spider-Man 3 was because of Elfman. They used Elfman's themes with out his permission.

Without being privy to contracts or the like - I get the feeling that Sony has the rights to use or distribute the music as they see fit. Yes, they'd pay Elfman a royalty fee but I don't think its his to "own".

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

From what I was told, supposedly the reason why we never saw a score release for Spider-Man 3 was because of Elfman. They used Elfman's themes with out his permission.

Without being privy to contracts or the like - I get the feeling that Sony has the rights to use or distribute the music as they see fit. Yes, they'd pay Elfman a royalty fee but I don't think its his to "own".


This is correct. I think it's a different case with electronic scores (I know John Murphy owns a lot of his own recordings) but with something with a huge orchestra for a tentpole franchise, Sony will definitely be calling the shots.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Yeah, I always thought the music was owned by the film company, even though the composer is obviously the writer.
I reckon Elfman couldn't care less if there was a Spidey 3 soundtrack.
He would still get a credit on the CD for his material, and some more royalty cheques!

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 12:51 PM   
 By:   random guy   (Member)

From what I was told, supposedly the reason why we never saw a score release for Spider-Man 3 was because of Elfman. They used Elfman's themes with out his permission and when he found out he was pretty pissed off about it. I'm sure he got some strings pulled and made it so Sony couldn't release a CD that contained his themes. Which is kind of funny because I always thought that Young made Elfman's original Spider-Man themes more alive than what Elfman did himself.

There is a foot-warmer version of Spider-Man 3's score and truth be told I like this score a lot more than Elfman's other two. Ya the foot-warmers for Elfman's first two have a few cues here and there that are good but I just prefer Spider-Man 3 as a whole.


yes it's all Elfman's fault, please let's dump more hate on the man, and whiles we're at it let's talk about how his movie's have no theme and how all his music is the same

and I believe he's also responsible for the earthquake in Haiti and any other bad thing that you can blame him for

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


and I believe he's also responsible for the earthquake in Haiti


No that was actually Wyclef Jean's vibrato voice. wink

On a more serious note, I don't think you can blame either composer for what happened on those movies, Sam Raimi seems to be the dominating factor there. He is the reason Young was brought in to replace Elfman's music and take over the series' music.

I think both composers did a great job and the way it stands, they both got to do 1,5 movie of the spiderman trilogy (which says plenty).

I keep my fingers crossed as well for a release of Young's score.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I don't know mikey, I still reckon Horner is gonna get the blame for Haiti wink

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2010 - 1:05 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I don't know mikey, I still reckon Horner is gonna get the blame for Haiti wink

That is only the case with recurring disasters.

sorry I couldn't resist razz

 
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