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Personally, I genuinely love this David Lean epic almost as much as I do Maurice Jarre's score to it. But it's been 40 years since the film and the score came out and I see little change in people's attitudes toward this film and it's music. I'd put it within my top 3 Maurice Jarre favorites. And the film probably within the top 5 David Lean films. Why does this film merit scorn or indifference after so many years? Thoughts on the film? Thoughts on Jarre's musical writing's for it?
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I'm with you Dave on this one.
My favorite David Lean film.
Love the score, but have heard so much am a little tired of hearing it.
Love the story though would have liked better a happier ending.
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I always liked the film and love the music. In fact I am a good friend of the lady who was Sarah Miles stand-in for the entire filming. But that's another story!
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I've never seen the film, but enjoy most of the album. I can't stand Michael's theme though. Ham-fisted wacky music that manages only to grate me. Michael is supposed to be mentally impaired right?
Perhaps watching the film, I'd view this music in different light. I doubt it though.
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Feb 25, 2010 - 3:42 PM
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Well, after the density of narrative in THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI, LAWRENCE OF ARABIA and DOCTOR ZHIVAGO, RYAN seemed more like an extended short story. Well that is OK but, god bless him, this is one of the times Robert Mitchum was miscast, he did not convince me he was a schoolmaster. Also let us add to that another lead, Christopher Jones, sounded too American so he was totally dubbed, which would kill anybody's performance. Lean didn't tell the man what he did and he was so devastated when he saw it he went wacko and that was the end of his career. Considering all these problems Jarre's muted three ring circus music seems absolutely appropriate. Always enjoyed that and every other aspect of the film.
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A flawed film, but better than just about anything that came out in the past decade. Breathtaking compositions by Freddie Young and a simple but lucid stiry infused with a great air of tragedy. At its best the Jarre score is sublime; at its worst it's overwrought; but it too is better than most scores of the Noughties.
Unfortunately for Lean, it came out at a time when cinematic fashions had turned toward grungy "realism" (MIDNIGHT COWBOY, EASY RIDER, etc.). But I'd argue it stands up better than most films of that era, and sorely deserves a re-assessment.
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A flawed film, but better than just about anything that came out in the past decade. Breathtaking compositions by Freddie Young and a simple but lucid stiry infused with a great air of tragedy. At its best the Jarre score is sublime; at its worst it's overwrought; but it too is better than most scores of the Noughties.
Unfortunately for Lean, it came out at a time when cinematic fashions had turned toward grungy "realism" (MIDNIGHT COWBOY, EASY RIDER, etc.). But I'd argue it stands up better than most films of that era, and sorely deserves a re-assessment.
It was such a "Big B.O." disappointment, and as you pretty well stated, released in a time that made it seem archaic. Lean only made one more movie, and it wan't released until 14 years later.
I also agree that Mitchum was miscast. Lean wanted to go back to his earlier, simpler British releases, a simpler story, yet this was magnified into some sort of Psuedo-epic by the time it was released.
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Excellent film, saw it in 70mm in Birmingham in January 1971. It looked sensational+ engrossing narrative, strong performances and strong score.
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I love RYAN'S DAUGHTER. Terrific film. I even like it better than (heresy I know) LAWRENCE OF ARABIA. But I don't like Jarre's score for the film. It's inappropriate. It sounds like a Nino Rota score for a Fellini film which while it might sound fine accompanying LA STRADA or JULIET OF THE SPIRITS seems out of place in RYAN'S DAUGHTER which screamed out for a John Barry score.
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That love scene in the woods is so, so wrong ... nearly unwatchable, really.
I wasn't expecting boobies. Very uncomfortable to watch with your mother in the next room...
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Those who are interested might want to read what Lean himself had to say about what was wrong with the film -- and that love scene.
Personally, though I haven't seen the film for ages, I thought Mitchum, though cast against type, was just fine. I, too, thought Jarre's music sounded like a Fellini score. I blame Lean for suppressing Jarre and insisting he didn't want to hear any "Irish music." It certainly didn't hurt LAWRENCE to have "Arabian music," nor ZHIVAGO to have "Russian music," so what was Lean thinking?
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Feb 26, 2010 - 1:48 AM
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A flawed film, but better than just about anything that came out in the past decade. Breathtaking compositions by Freddie Young and a simple but lucid stiry infused with a great air of tragedy. At its best the Jarre score is sublime; at its worst it's overwrought; but it too is better than most scores of the Noughties.
Unfortunately for Lean, it came out at a time when cinematic fashions had turned toward grungy "realism" (MIDNIGHT COWBOY, EASY RIDER, etc.). But I'd argue it stands up better than most films of that era, and sorely deserves a re-assessment.
It was such a "Big B.O." disappointment, and as you pretty well stated, released in a time that made it seem archaic. Lean only made one more movie, and it wan't released until 14 years later.
I also agree that Mitchum was miscast. Lean wanted to go back to his earlier, simpler British releases, a simpler story, yet this was magnified into some sort of Psuedo-epic by the time it was released. I have never heard so much rubbish come out of one persons mouth as you.You dont know what the hell you are talking about.David Lean was one of the great film makers of the 20th century,you of coarse would not know that. Grungy realism...WHAT THE HELL are YOU TALKING ABOUT... Go get an education,and stop talking BULLSHIT. Psuedo epic, WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT.? Never mind,I dont want to know.
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