I know there are cues for the opening shot of Vulcan, shot of Starfleet HQ, the Bird of Prey leaving Vulcan and The Klingons storming out of the Starfleet meeting.
There may be some music from various scenes of the probe, but I don't remember if it was tracked or part of the existing cue on the CD. I believe Rosenman had mentioned in an interview that there was around 31 minutes of music for the film.
Here's a thought, that maybe someone in the know can corroborate. Several tracks on the MCA album are barely used in the film - The Probe, for example, has about 10 seconds used. And of course, there's a lot of unscored scenes in the picture that could conceivably have music written for them.
So, not to get anyone's hopes up, but... how do we know there aren't a few unused cues that we don't know anything about?
Here's a thought, that maybe someone in the know can corroborate. Several tracks on the MCA album are barely used in the film - The Probe, for example, has about 10 seconds used. And of course, there's a lot of unscored scenes in the picture that could conceivably have music written for them.
So, not to get anyone's hopes up, but... how do we know there aren't a few unused cues that we don't know anything about?'
Not to mention the fact that the main title is not what Rosenman originally wrote. On the album and in the film you can clearly hear the edit just as the main theme melody starts. It cuts to the end credits.
TheFamousEccles and I respectfully disagree that the end credits are what is being cut to in that clearly-heard edit. We believe it is rather a cut to a newly-recorded main title which Nimoy asked Rosenman to write (to replace Rosenman's revamp of the Courage theme), meant to closely RESEMBLE the end credits.
If your comment is based on information you've gathered because you are currently working on an expanded release of Rosenman's "The Voyage Home," we will both defer to your post, I'm sure.
According to the timings given in Jeff Bond's MUSIC OF STAR TREK book, Rosenman's contribution in the film runs a mere 29:40 -- including "Market Street" with the Yellowjackets.
The OST runs 36:16, including the Yellowjackets material/extended album versions. There are indeed some nice cues missing, as I recall -- but they're all very short. Still worth a complete score release, though, especially if alternates are included.
Sigerson Holmes: Thanks for the mention in your post. I don't post very often around here, and for whatever reason, when I do, I always feel like I kill a discussion, so - thank you again. You're an officer, a gentlemen, and based on your username, probably a very fine violinist.
Here's a little more information on the Main Title on "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home," and yes, I must respectfully disagree with Mr. Matessino, whose knowledge in every area in film music surpasses mine by leaps and bounds, and whose continuing work I am ever grateful for.
I have several of the conductor's scores for "Star Trek IV," including the Main Title, and based on these scores, here is how it appears to break down:
The Main Title, according to the scores, consists of two different pieces: M11R (which is the opening of the main title up to the cadence just before Rosenman's theme comes in, and the first eighth note of Rosenman's theme) and M11Rpart2 (Rosenman's theme to the picture, to the end). The pieces were clearly written and designed to be edited together afterwards. The fact that both appear to be revised cues speaks to the fact that Rosenman did write (and hopefully record) his versions of Courage's material, and these were revised bits. However, having the Main Title cue and Rosenman's end title score, and comparing them side by side, there are clearly differences in the writing (a high piccolo line in the MT, as well as differing resolutions to the first statement of the main theme in both the MT and EC, and the horn chorale & chime ending, as well as a few other slight differences) The piece was most likely put together very quickly by Leonard and his orchestrator, Ralph Ferraro, as the majority of it is based directly on the End Credit arrangement.
But, as Sigerson Holmes said, if this information Mr. Mattesino has is because he's busy working on an expanded release of the score, I will happily defer to him, and give my money to whatever record company is releasing it.
Strangely enough, even "Home Again" is slated as "M122 New New," which shows that it was revised a bit at some point, and the "End Credits" is written out as "M122R" before that was crossed out and reslated as "M123," so there may have been some revision work happening on those two cues as well.
In regards to the International cut prologue: much of that music appears to be tracked from "Crash-Whale Fugue" and "Home Again," though there is a good deal of music in there that appears to either be new music that Leonard wrote, or snippets of alternate cuts that were written for the movie proper but were replaced.
Finally, regarding the actual topic of what's missing - it is mostly smaller cuts such as the "Starfleet Command" theme, the first appearance of the "Spock" motif and a few other things - and of course, whatever alternates Leonard recorded - but the album also has a lot of material that was dialed out of the finished picture, such as several minutes of the bravura "Crash-Whale Fugue" sequence.
This is a really terrific score, ripe for rediscovery all around. I'm very glad to see a resurgence of interest in it.
It would be nice if the complete score for Star Trek IV got released by one of our labels. It's definitely an under-rated gem and there is definitely quite a bit of music missing. So here's hoping one day one of our labels releases it in full form, including the film version edit for "The Market Street".
...but the album also has a lot of material that was dialed out of the finished picture, such as several minutes of the bravura "Crash-Whale Fugue" sequence.
And here's the scene with the music restored! Enjoy! (check it out in 480p mode for stereo)
Thank you for the replies and enthusiasm, everyone.
With talk of Trek III later this year and continued interest in V, it would be wonderful to see FSM's Trek II momentum carried on to full and complete scores for all the films!
"Crash whale fuge" is my second favourite track from the CD. I'm confident that once again I'm the only one to like a certain track of a CD, and stand alone in my fondness for the No. 1 track: the jazzy version of the "Crash-whale fuge". from 1988 to 1989 I played that theme almost dayly on my way to the University. It always eased up the start of the day.
Sorry but this is the weakest score in the Star Trek movie cannon. I always found myself wishing the Horner did this one. It really would have woven the "trilogy" together.
However, here's hoping that a complete STAR TREK IV soundtrack is in your future!
Sorry but this is the weakest score in the Star Trek movie cannon. I always found myself wishing the Horner did this one. It really would have woven the "trilogy" together.
Someone on YouTube did something like that once, putting Star Trek IV's credits to James Horner's music (and the visuals of First Contact's). It actually worked pretty well, aside from the fact that the music was far too sad, but it's been taken down.
I think the same thing about Rosenman's score that I do about the movie; quite good when the scene is in the future, rubbish when it's in the past. From an academic standpoint, though, what would really have been interesting is if Nimoy had gotten his wish and hired Rosenman for STIII as well as IV, as the new set's liner notes indicate.