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 Posted:   Mar 26, 2022 - 3:42 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

I haven't seen this movie in at least 30 years. Maybe it's time to check it out from the library.

Did so just now, and finally cracked open that article, too.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2022 - 4:16 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

A great score, deserving of its Oscar nomination and another feather in Frank Churchill's cap. I was never quite sure what the separate contributions were between him and Plumb.

This is yet another Disney score that would benefit from a Legacy Edition release.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2022 - 1:00 AM   
 By:   leomichel   (Member)

This is yet another Disney score that would benefit from a Legacy Edition release.

Why ? Only the contemporary Menken and Zimmer scores were expanded on their Legacy editions (though they may not be so contemporary anymore, I guess).

The real classics (Pinocchio, Cinderella, Lady and the Tramp, Sleeping Beauty and Mary Poppins) were sadly left as they were released before in the 90s (except for Mary Poppins which came in 2004) with missing music. They added a second disc with their lost chords material which, though interesting, does not compensate for the missing parts.

Fantasia and the never before released Aristocats and Robin Hood are another matter, of course.

So, except for the valid reason that there may be people who do not own Bambi's music on cd and might want it, if the previous pattern is repeated, I don't really see how a "legacy" edition would be interesting in any way

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2022 - 1:49 AM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)


The real classics (Pinocchio, Cinderella, Lady and the Tramp, Sleeping Beauty and Mary Poppins) were sadly left as they were released before in the 90s (except for Mary Poppins which came in 2004) with missing music. They added a second disc with their lost chords material which, though interesting, does not compensate for the missing parts.

Fantasia and the never before released Aristocats and Robin Hood are another matter, of course.

So, except for the valid reason that there may be people who do not own Bambi's music on cd and might want it, if the previous pattern is repeated, I don't really see how a "legacy" edition would be interesting in any way


That's still over 90% of the releases getting extra stuff. I hear you on Mary Poppins, Pinocchio, and Lady and the Tramp only getting "bonus" content but for me that stuff is still worth it to hear. Even Fantasia, which combined two existing releases but made it very convenient (plus I recall it added one extra cue).

But Cinderella, Robin Hood, and The Aristocrats all got new music and I'm not sure about the "Disneyland" album - I think that was cobbled together from various existing recordings.

Really the only one missing stuff was Sleeping Beauty which I think is mostly complete but doesn't have the extraordinary music for the fairies hastily flying back to the cottage to warn Prince Philip.

I think Bambi could have a good chance of getting extra material.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2022 - 2:52 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

One of the greatest scores there is!
Needs a rerecording in crisp and clear sound...

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2022 - 3:41 AM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Really the only one missing stuff was Sleeping Beauty which I think is mostly complete but doesn't have the extraordinary music for the fairies hastily flying back to the cottage to warn Prince Philip.

There’s at least 10 minutes of music missing from Sleeping Beauty, which is pretty much scored wall-to-wall. Aside from the cue mentioned above (which is actually abbreviated on the OST found on ITunes), the most notable pieces still missing from the current album are the film version of the cue “Blue Bird,” the music for Maleficent’s capture of Prince Philip (which precedes the cue you brought up), and a wonderfully atmospheric cue for Maleficent descending into the dungeon preceding “A Fairy Tale Come True.”

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2022 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


The real classics (Pinocchio, Cinderella, Lady and the Tramp, Sleeping Beauty and Mary Poppins) were sadly left as they were released before in the 90s (except for Mary Poppins which came in 2004) with missing music. They added a second disc with their lost chords material which, though interesting, does not compensate for the missing parts.

Fantasia and the never before released Aristocats and Robin Hood are another matter, of course.

So, except for the valid reason that there may be people who do not own Bambi's music on cd and might want it, if the previous pattern is repeated, I don't really see how a "legacy" edition would be interesting in any way


That's still over 90% of the releases getting extra stuff. I hear you on Mary Poppins, Pinocchio, and Lady and the Tramp only getting "bonus" content but for me that stuff is still worth it to hear. Even Fantasia, which combined two existing releases but made it very convenient (plus I recall it added one extra cue).

But Cinderella, Robin Hood, and The Aristocrats all got new music and I'm not sure about the "Disneyland" album - I think that was cobbled together from various existing recordings.

Really the only one missing stuff was Sleeping Beauty which I think is mostly complete but doesn't have the extraordinary music for the fairies hastily flying back to the cottage to warn Prince Philip.

I think Bambi could have a good chance of getting extra material.


Wait, Cinderella and Aristocrats Legacy Collections have additional score? I thought the were straight re-releases from the 90's sources.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2022 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

One of the greatest scores there is!
Needs a rerecording in crisp and clear sound...


Yes, its a masterpiece.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2022 - 7:19 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Really the only one missing stuff was Sleeping Beauty which I think is mostly complete but doesn't have the extraordinary music for the fairies hastily flying back to the cottage to warn Prince Philip.

There’s at least 10 minutes of music missing from Sleeping Beauty, which is pretty much scored wall-to-wall. Aside from the cue mentioned above (which is actually abbreviated on the OST found on ITunes), the most notable pieces still missing from the current album are the film version of the cue “Blue Bird,” the music for Maleficent’s capture of Prince Philip (which precedes the cue you brought up), and a wonderfully atmospheric cue for Maleficent descending into the dungeon preceding “A Fairy Tale Come True.”


Disney really f'd up on this one! Come on Disney, you could do better!

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2022 - 7:22 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Re: Bambi, I could've sworn the hunting dog chase music was released in some older format. Either LP or Cassette. But I sure can't find it anymore.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2022 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

Wait, Cinderella and Aristocrats Legacy Collections have additional score? I thought the were straight re-releases from the 90's sources.

You're right for CINDERELLA - I was referring to the re-recorded tracks on Disc 2 of the legacy collection as "expanded" because it seemed like they included "new" material. But the Disc 1 is still the 90's sources as you say.

For THE ARISTOCATS, the 90's release had a smattering of George Bruns' score but the Legacy Collection pretty much doubled that amount with unreleased cues.

I'm being optimistic about BAMBI - Disney is very scattered and the Legacy Collection has been sporadic with its releases but I would hope at some point someone is able to encourage them to fully preserve their older films and scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2022 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   lacoq   (Member)

Re: Bambi, I could've sworn the hunting dog chase music was released in some older format. Either LP or Cassette. But I sure can't find it anymore.

At least there's this: https://youtu.be/nubtAjh6Lps

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2022 - 3:04 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Ed Plumb continued on at Disney into at least the mid 50's; although generally relegated to scoring short subjects and orchestrating on the features. Paul Smith and Oliver Wallace generally got the features into the late 50's when George Bruns joined the club.

Until WW2 halted the construction of Fantasound units, Bambi was tentatively slated to be released using that multi-channel format. Wow! Wouldn't that have been great?


Plumb also worked on at least one Tom & Jerry cartoon at M.G.M..

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2022 - 3:39 PM   
 By:   leomichel   (Member)

Wait, Cinderella and Aristocrats Legacy Collections have additional score? I thought the were straight re-releases from the 90's sources.

You're right for CINDERELLA - I was referring to the re-recorded tracks on Disc 2 of the legacy collection as "expanded" because it seemed like they included "new" material. But the Disc 1 is still the 90's sources as you say.


The re-recorded tracks on disc 2 are the same recording made by JAC Redford and released on cd in 1995. While it's nice they're available again for those who did not buy the cd in 1995, they offer absolutely nothing new, just as cd 1 does not offer anything new either, reproducing the 1997 cd of the original tracks.

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2022 - 8:20 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Re: Bambi, I could've sworn the hunting dog chase music was released in some older format. Either LP or Cassette. But I sure can't find it anymore.

At least there's this: https://youtu.be/nubtAjh6Lps


Cool, thxs!

 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2022 - 8:23 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Wait, Cinderella and Aristocrats Legacy Collections have additional score? I thought the were straight re-releases from the 90's sources.

You're right for CINDERELLA - I was referring to the re-recorded tracks on Disc 2 of the legacy collection as "expanded" because it seemed like they included "new" material. But the Disc 1 is still the 90's sources as you say.

For THE ARISTOCATS, the 90's release had a smattering of George Bruns' score but the Legacy Collection pretty much doubled that amount with unreleased cues.

I'm being optimistic about BAMBI - Disney is very scattered and the Legacy Collection has been sporadic with its releases but I would hope at some point someone is able to encourage them to fully preserve their older films and scores.


RE: Cinderella- Okay, thanks for the clarifitication. I have both the 90's Cinderella release and the re-recording.

RE: Aristocats- Thanks! I need to get this then I had no idea it was expanded.

 
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