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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Kings Row/The Sea Wolf
 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2010 - 10:42 PM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

I'm listening to KINGS ROW for the umpteenth time right now, and once again my mind is blown to smithereens. The word "epic" doesn't even begin to descibe this masterpiece. It's the film score equivalent of The Complete Works of Shakespeare. It's the Crème de la FSM.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2010 - 5:03 AM   
 By:   Robert0320   (Member)

Korngold received more fan mail for KINGS ROW than any other score he wrote. The main title theme is glorious.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I too think this is a great release. Kings Row is fantastic in (almost) complete form, but I like The Sea Wolf even better. Very modern and a surprising score coming from Korngold. It's one of my favorites. When this release came out I was expecting further FSM Korngold titles in the near future. I'm kinda surprised and disappointed that no more have come out (particularly the original track for The Sea Hawk, my favorite Korngold score, but perhaps the time wasn't right with two re-recordings of it coming out).

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 5:54 PM   
 By:   Robert0320   (Member)

I'd love a complete BETWEEN TWO WORLDS

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 6:22 PM   
 By:   RonBurbella   (Member)

KING'S ROW is my favorite Erich Wolfgang Korngold score. And Korngold is my favorite composer.

The "Randy and Drake" theme is my all-time favorite "love theme," especially as played in the "Kings Row Suite" by Charles Gerhardt and the National Philharmonic for their Reader's Digest recording of the suite (1968). Lush oceans and oceans of violins, as opposed to the smaller orchestral palette in the soundtrack or in Gerhardt's later accurate re-recording of the score for Varese. I'm a sucker for violins playing a beautiful love theme. This would be my theme as they wheeled me away into eternity in "Soylent Green." smile

Chesky Records released it on their "Hollywood Screen Classics" CD71 in 1992. A lot of people don't know about this CD. It is WELL worth picking up and is usually not too pricey. Here's a link:

http://www.musicweb-international.com/film/june99/gerhardt.htm

Ron Burbella


 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2010 - 7:40 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Dang but I wish all of those Gerhardt recordings could be released in several box sets...

I do prefer Korngold conducting his own work, though. Bill Stromberg probably gets the closest of the conductors I've heard but even he can't match Korngold (though he *nails* Newman, Waxman, and Herrmann).

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2010 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Dang but I wish all of those Gerhardt recordings could be released in several box sets...


One would be better. In a couple weeks I'm going to try and make a theoretical set tracklist...I bet it'd be about 9 CDs or so if done in a way to maximize playing time per disc.

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2010 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Yeah, but one isn't feasible because of rights issues -- all the Reader's Digest stuff, for example, could make up one box set, but then the RCA stuff would have to be on another...and there'd still be a bunch of odds and ends like the Holdridge album that are owned by different people entirely. A truly complete Gerhardt conducts Film Music set would be even less feasible than a complete Star Trek film score set.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2010 - 5:05 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Yeah, but one isn't feasible because of rights issues -- all the Reader's Digest stuff, for example, could make up one box set, but then the RCA stuff would have to be on another...and there'd still be a bunch of odds and ends like the Holdridge album that are owned by different people entirely. A truly complete Gerhardt conducts Film Music set would be even less feasible than a complete Star Trek film score set.

Yavar


Well I was talking about the RCA Classic Film Scores series alone.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2011 - 11:36 PM   
 By:   brendangcarroll   (Member)

I'd love a complete BETWEEN TWO WORLDS

Alas, only a couple of cues survive for this score, from the original optical stems, so a complete release is impossible.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2011 - 3:28 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)


In the early ninetiews, I was at a post productionhouse in Burbank.
they had a musia and effects track for Between Two Worlds. It sounded prettty good. Plus there were far less sound effects for this foreign track than in the actual film. I would love to have a copy of this.

John Mauceri did a new stereo recording of much of the score. But, it is not complete. When it comes to the big emotional scenes, mauceri seems to hold back and not let the music fly as it should.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2011 - 3:30 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)


In the early ninetiews, I was at a post productionhouse in Burbank.
they had a musia and effects track for Between Two Worlds. It sounded prettty good. Plus there were far less sound effects for this foreign track than in the actual film. I would love to have a copy of this.

John Mauceri did a new stereo recording of much of the score. But, it is not complete. When it comes to the big emotional scenes, mauceri seems to hold back and not let the music fly as it should.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2011 - 4:02 AM   
 By:   Robert0320   (Member)

In the early ninetiews, I was at a post productionhouse in Burbank.
they had a musia and effects track for Between Two Worlds. It sounded prettty good. Plus there were far less sound effects for this foreign track than in the actual film. I would love to have a copy of this.

John Mauceri did a new stereo recording of much of the score. But, it is not complete. When it comes to the big emotional scenes, mauceri seems to hold back and not let the music fly as it should.


I have the Mauceri recording and while I admire much of his film music endeavors, there is a spirit (excuse the pun) missing from this haunting work. I would take the m & e tracks...are you listening Lukas? If I don;t mind barking, I certainly can take a boat whistle or two.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2011 - 8:23 AM   
 By:   brendangcarroll   (Member)

In the early ninetiews, I was at a post productionhouse in Burbank.
they had a musia and effects track for Between Two Worlds. It sounded prettty good. Plus there were far less sound effects for this foreign track than in the actual film. I would love to have a copy of this.

John Mauceri did a new stereo recording of much of the score. But, it is not complete. When it comes to the big emotional scenes, mauceri seems to hold back and not let the music fly as it should.


Your post about a M&E track surviving for this film is perhaps the most important news have read on any board anywhere Joe. This is one of the great lost film score treasures and I wish I had known that such a thing existed as it could have been added as an extra on the recent WA DVD of the film.

Do you recall where you heard it? It is almost inconceivable that this survived the mass destruction of the Warner Sound Library in 1977, but then...anything is possible I have discovered.

Please let me know any further details if you have them. Thanks!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2011 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Just want to second what RonB stated. The Randy/Drake love theme is just stunning.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2011 - 5:18 PM   
 By:   RonBurbella   (Member)

Joe Caps said:

In the early nineties, I was at a post-production house in Burbank.
They had a music and effects track for Between Two Worlds. It sounded pretty good. Plus there were far less sound effects for this foreign track than in the actual film.

I would love to have a copy of this.

*****************************************************************
And so would Brendan Carroll and so would I!!! I absolutely concur with Mr. Carroll...the existence of that M&E track for BETWEEN TWO WORLDS is BIG Korngold news.

The early nineties is around 20 years ago. Not too, too in the past. I wonder if our Burbank or European post-production friends would have this tape sequestered somewhere.

Joe, can you jog that wonderful memory of yours for more details. Name names. Who WERE the post-production buggers? Are they still in business somewhere else? We need that music! smile

Wow.

Ron Burbella

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2011 - 4:17 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)


Brendan Carroll,
you can email me privately at joecaps@earthlink.net

Remember, the post house was just doing jobs sent to them by Turner or Warner at the time, would have worked on the tracks and sent them back to the studio.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2012 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   TheTennisBallKid   (Member)

This isn't strictly a query about the (terrific!) FSM release, but...

Has there ever been a recording of Kings Row's finale that included the choir?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2013 - 3:07 AM   
 By:   BrendanGCarroll553   (Member)

This isn't strictly a query about the (terrific!) FSM release, but...

Has there ever been a recording of Kings Row's finale that included the choir?


Alas no because the separate stem with the choral finale did not survive in the Warner vault.

 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2013 - 4:36 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

I'm listening to KINGS ROW for the umpteenth time right now, and once again my mind is blown to smithereens. The word "epic" doesn't even begin to descibe this masterpiece. It's the film score equivalent of The Complete Works of Shakespeare. It's the Crème de la FSM.

Two great scores, but I clearly prefer the re-recordings (Gerhardt and Gamba, respectively) - Korngold's fabulous orchestration needs modern sound!

 
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