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 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   Angelillo   (Member)

I transferred the audio, which was taken from original 35mm fullcoat 3-track mono and half-inch 3-track, for the definitive DVD and Blu-Ray release. The music was separate along with the efx and dialog and this is how we were able to do isolated scores.

Pardon my ignorance but how is this possible regarding taped episodes ? Does it mean, in that case, the videotape had also a 3-track mono ?

And regarding the voice echo we can hear sometimes - more or less low : is this coming from the earphones of the music conductor (as a gentleman from another thread said, regarding Waxman's LOST COMMAND LP release) ?

Many thanks,

Angel

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Stephen Pickard   (Member)

I neglected to mention that there were no 3-track mono masters on the taped episodes, if I remember correctly.
With regard to hearing dialog in the music track, this is something called 'crosstalk'. This usually originates in the mixing board and/or patch bay. You can never usually get perfect isolation between channels in the analog world. It may be different today with digital, I don't know.
With these tracks they were never meant to be heard individually.
I hope this answers your question Angel.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Stephen, any idea what happened to the 3 episodes (season three) that were suppose to have isolated scores (as indicated in the Definitive dvd inserts) but didnt?
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 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   Angelillo   (Member)

I neglected to mention that there were no 3-track mono masters on the taped episodes, if I remember correctly.

Thank you for your answer.

But in that case, how did they (you ?) manage to get isolated scores for taped episodes ? In the DVD box set there's, for exemple, a taped episode of Season 2 titled Twenty Two - incidentally one the worst episodes, according to me - which gets an isolated score !

How, technically, is this possible ?

And sorry if my question sounds, somehow, "ludicrous" for many of the "boarders" but I don't know very much about sound process and, as a matter of fact, I'm getting more and more interested in ! And I really thought that a mono video tape, at this time, could only have ONE audio track.

And, incidentally, I'm also very interested regarding Last Child post about the missing isolated scores on the 3 episodes of season 3 ...but maybe it's a long time now to remember ! As a matter of fact those episodes released on individual DVD's in 2000 (five years earlier) did get isolated scores...

Many thanks for all and... BRAVO regarding your great job on TZ !!!!

Angel

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 4:48 PM   
 By:   Stephen Pickard   (Member)

I neglected to mention that there were no 3-track mono masters on the taped episodes, if I remember correctly.

Thank you for your answer.

But in that case, how did they (you ?) manage to get isolated scores for taped episodes ? In the DVD box set there's, for exemple, a taped episode of Season 2 titled Twenty Two - incidentally one the worst episodes, according to me - which gets an isolated score !

How, technically, is this possible ?

And sorry if my question sounds, somehow, "ludicrous" for many of the "boarders" but I don't know very much about sound process and, as a matter of fact, I'm getting more and more interested in ! And I really thought that a mono video tape, at this time, could only have ONE audio track.

And, incidentally, I'm also very interested regarding Last Child post about the missing isolated scores on the 3 episodes of season 3 ...but maybe it's a long time now to remember ! As a matter of fact those episodes released on individual DVD's in 2000 (five years earlier) did get isolated scores...

Many thanks for all and... BRAVO regarding your great job on TZ !!!!

Angel


Hi Angel. I have since found out that there were only two episodes, "Twenty Two" and "Static", that had 3-track mono masters. The audio that is recorded during production is the 'production sound'. Despite the fact these episodes were recorded on tape, it is possible that the recording of the audio was the same procedure as for shooting on film, which would be on either 35mm, half or quarter inch. There may be an audio guide track on the videotape aswell. Without the facts this is all just careful guesswork based on my experience.
Whenever I received a three - track master I made sure that the digital recording I made preserved all three tracks for future use as particularly some the 35mm mag masters were not in perfect shape. "Eye of the Beholder" was particularly problematic as every minute or so the emulsion would shed and build up on the playback head causing a dramatic loss of high frequency. So I continually had to stop, clean the head start again and 'punch-in'. This procedure took a long time and listening to it you would never know there was ever a problem!
On the definitive version there were choices made on certain episodes not to include isolated scores. I had no control over this. However, on the blu-ray all the isolated scores that were available are there.
Thanks for the compliments.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 4:50 PM   
 By:   Stephen Pickard   (Member)

Stephen, any idea what happened to the 3 episodes (season three) that were suppose to have isolated scores (as indicated in the Definitive dvd inserts) but didnt?
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Last child, I think I have answered your question in the post above.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 5:14 PM   
 By:   Angelillo   (Member)

Despite the fact these episodes were recorded on tape, it is possible that the recording of the audio was the same procedure as for shooting on film, which would be on either 35mm, half or quarter inch. There may be an audio guide track on the videotape aswell.

That's a GREAT DEAL of info based on personal experience !!! Thank you VERY MUCH !!!

Whenever I received a three - track master I made sure that the digital recording I made preserved all three tracks for future use as particularly some the 35mm mag masters were not in perfect shape.

So, you're also a sort of curator !

"Eye of the Beholder" was particularly problematic as every minute or so the emulsion would shed and build up on the playback head causing a dramatic loss of high frequency. So I continually had to stop, clean the head start again and 'punch-in'. This procedure took a long time and listening to it you would never know there was ever a problem!

The result is stunning : if you wouldn't have mentionned this particular fastidious task, I wouldn't have paid attention to it ! It sounds great ! And your work is sometimes like restoring old paintings : what a patience...


On the definitive version there were choices made on certain episodes not to include isolated scores. I had no control over this. However, on the blu-ray all the isolated scores that were available are there.

I understand and I can read between lines : How to sell twice - or more - a same product...
Anyway, this was an executive decision that didn't involve you. I understand.
Incidentally, and I'm sorry if you find this a little bit unapropriate but my DVD box set contains in season 1 the DVD 5...TWICE ! And there's no DVD 4... Do you know someone working at Image Entertenmaint I could rely and write to get this DVD number 4 of the first season ? It's now two days I sent an e-mail and still no answer...

Once again many thanks for the great deal of teaching : I enjoy learning very much.

And I hope you will keep bringing us such great valuable treasures !

Sincerely,

Angel

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2011 - 5:29 PM   
 By:   Stephen Pickard   (Member)

Hi Angel thanks for your response. If yo go on Home Theater Forum or Amazon you will find that several people have similar issues.
I don't work at Image, I did the work as a free-lance.

 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 7:49 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

I´m currently (re-)discovering this legendary series and its stunning scores.

Does anybody know if there is a possibility of a release of these scores in one wonderful box set (um, La-La-Land...?) Or is this a complete nightmare sorting out rights and locating tapes?

I´d reckon there are enough film score lovers to buy such a box, right?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 3, 2014 - 5:27 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


Does anybody know if there is a possibility of a release of these scores in one wonderful box set (um, La-La-Land...?) Or is this a complete nightmare sorting out rights and locating tapes?


Well, there was a 4-CD box, plus the 2-CD Herrmann set. I think that more listeners would be willing to buy a companion set that didn't repeat (much) music from the existing sets.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2014 - 6:15 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Does anybody know if there is a possibility of a release of these scores in one wonderful box set (um, La-La-Land...?) Or is this a complete nightmare sorting out rights and locating tapes?

Well, there was a 4-CD box, plus the 2-CD Herrmann set. I think that more listeners would be willing to buy a companion set that didn't repeat (much) music from the existing sets.


The 4-CD Anniversary set is a good start, although some of the suites are incomplete and track-order wrong. Interestingly, "Where is Everybody?" is incomplete on the 4-CD, as well as the video isolated audio, but is complete on the McNeely re-recording (the Herrmann 2-CD set).
The CBS EZ Library has many wonderful stock cues used in various series, and could yield 2-3 relevant TWZone cds - or even cds simply grouped by composer. If some company has the rights to library as a whole, that could be a simple thing to check.

 
 Posted:   Mar 4, 2014 - 6:52 PM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

The Bernard Herrmann complete "Twilight Zone" scores album is so wonderful!



What a treat it would be to have a complete Jerry Goldsmith "Twilight Zone" collection on CD!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2014 - 5:34 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

On the definitive version there were choices made on certain episodes not to include isolated scores. I had no control over this. However, on the blu-ray all the isolated scores that were available are there.

Stephen, any idea why the blu-ray Season One isolated scores were AC3 instead of PCM like the later seasons?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2014 - 8:04 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

I think a box set a la St TOS would be a big seller. First it would be bought up by everyone here. Second imagine advertising just once during a syfy TWZ marathon. There were so many people watching twz marathon New Years. They were under 40 and watching marathons for years. LaLaLand, your next big project? Intrada?

 
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