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I neglected to mention that there were no 3-track mono masters on the taped episodes, if I remember correctly.
With regard to hearing dialog in the music track, this is something called 'crosstalk'. This usually originates in the mixing board and/or patch bay. You can never usually get perfect isolation between channels in the analog world. It may be different today with digital, I don't know.
With these tracks they were never meant to be heard individually.
I hope this answers your question Angel.
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Mar 23, 2011 - 3:48 PM
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I neglected to mention that there were no 3-track mono masters on the taped episodes, if I remember correctly.
Thank you for your answer.
But in that case, how did they (you ?) manage to get isolated scores for taped episodes ? In the DVD box set there's, for exemple, a taped episode of Season 2 titled Twenty Two - incidentally one the worst episodes, according to me - which gets an isolated score !
How, technically, is this possible ?
And sorry if my question sounds, somehow, "ludicrous" for many of the "boarders" but I don't know very much about sound process and, as a matter of fact, I'm getting more and more interested in ! And I really thought that a mono video tape, at this time, could only have ONE audio track.
And, incidentally, I'm also very interested regarding Last Child post about the missing isolated scores on the 3 episodes of season 3 ...but maybe it's a long time now to remember ! As a matter of fact those episodes released on individual DVD's in 2000 (five years earlier) did get isolated scores...
Many thanks for all and... BRAVO regarding your great job on TZ !!!!
Angel
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I neglected to mention that there were no 3-track mono masters on the taped episodes, if I remember correctly.
Thank you for your answer.
But in that case, how did they (you ?) manage to get isolated scores for taped episodes ? In the DVD box set there's, for exemple, a taped episode of Season 2 titled Twenty Two - incidentally one the worst episodes, according to me - which gets an isolated score !
How, technically, is this possible ?
And sorry if my question sounds, somehow, "ludicrous" for many of the "boarders" but I don't know very much about sound process and, as a matter of fact, I'm getting more and more interested in ! And I really thought that a mono video tape, at this time, could only have ONE audio track.
And, incidentally, I'm also very interested regarding Last Child post about the missing isolated scores on the 3 episodes of season 3 ...but maybe it's a long time now to remember ! As a matter of fact those episodes released on individual DVD's in 2000 (five years earlier) did get isolated scores...
Many thanks for all and... BRAVO regarding your great job on TZ !!!!
Angel
Hi Angel. I have since found out that there were only two episodes, "Twenty Two" and "Static", that had 3-track mono masters. The audio that is recorded during production is the 'production sound'. Despite the fact these episodes were recorded on tape, it is possible that the recording of the audio was the same procedure as for shooting on film, which would be on either 35mm, half or quarter inch. There may be an audio guide track on the videotape aswell. Without the facts this is all just careful guesswork based on my experience.
Whenever I received a three - track master I made sure that the digital recording I made preserved all three tracks for future use as particularly some the 35mm mag masters were not in perfect shape. "Eye of the Beholder" was particularly problematic as every minute or so the emulsion would shed and build up on the playback head causing a dramatic loss of high frequency. So I continually had to stop, clean the head start again and 'punch-in'. This procedure took a long time and listening to it you would never know there was ever a problem!
On the definitive version there were choices made on certain episodes not to include isolated scores. I had no control over this. However, on the blu-ray all the isolated scores that were available are there.
Thanks for the compliments.
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Stephen, any idea what happened to the 3 episodes (season three) that were suppose to have isolated scores (as indicated in the Definitive dvd inserts) but didnt?
FIVE CHARACTERS IN SEARCH OF AN EXIT
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Last child, I think I have answered your question in the post above.
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Mar 23, 2011 - 6:14 PM
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Angelillo
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Despite the fact these episodes were recorded on tape, it is possible that the recording of the audio was the same procedure as for shooting on film, which would be on either 35mm, half or quarter inch. There may be an audio guide track on the videotape aswell.
That's a GREAT DEAL of info based on personal experience !!! Thank you VERY MUCH !!!
Whenever I received a three - track master I made sure that the digital recording I made preserved all three tracks for future use as particularly some the 35mm mag masters were not in perfect shape.
So, you're also a sort of curator !
"Eye of the Beholder" was particularly problematic as every minute or so the emulsion would shed and build up on the playback head causing a dramatic loss of high frequency. So I continually had to stop, clean the head start again and 'punch-in'. This procedure took a long time and listening to it you would never know there was ever a problem!
The result is stunning : if you wouldn't have mentionned this particular fastidious task, I wouldn't have paid attention to it ! It sounds great ! And your work is sometimes like restoring old paintings : what a patience...
On the definitive version there were choices made on certain episodes not to include isolated scores. I had no control over this. However, on the blu-ray all the isolated scores that were available are there.
I understand and I can read between lines : How to sell twice - or more - a same product...
Anyway, this was an executive decision that didn't involve you. I understand.
Incidentally, and I'm sorry if you find this a little bit unapropriate but my DVD box set contains in season 1 the DVD 5...TWICE ! And there's no DVD 4... Do you know someone working at Image Entertenmaint I could rely and write to get this DVD number 4 of the first season ? It's now two days I sent an e-mail and still no answer...
Once again many thanks for the great deal of teaching : I enjoy learning very much.
And I hope you will keep bringing us such great valuable treasures !
Sincerely,
Angel
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Hi Angel thanks for your response. If yo go on Home Theater Forum or Amazon you will find that several people have similar issues.
I don't work at Image, I did the work as a free-lance.
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I´m currently (re-)discovering this legendary series and its stunning scores.
Does anybody know if there is a possibility of a release of these scores in one wonderful box set (um, La-La-Land...?) Or is this a complete nightmare sorting out rights and locating tapes?
I´d reckon there are enough film score lovers to buy such a box, right?
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Does anybody know if there is a possibility of a release of these scores in one wonderful box set (um, La-La-Land...?) Or is this a complete nightmare sorting out rights and locating tapes?
Well, there was a 4-CD box, plus the 2-CD Herrmann set. I think that more listeners would be willing to buy a companion set that didn't repeat (much) music from the existing sets.
The 4-CD Anniversary set is a good start, although some of the suites are incomplete and track-order wrong. Interestingly, "Where is Everybody?" is incomplete on the 4-CD, as well as the video isolated audio, but is complete on the McNeely re-recording (the Herrmann 2-CD set).
The CBS EZ Library has many wonderful stock cues used in various series, and could yield 2-3 relevant TWZone cds - or even cds simply grouped by composer. If some company has the rights to library as a whole, that could be a simple thing to check.
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If you got a duplicate dvd by mistake, they should honor replacing it for the correct dvd. I can check my dvds to make sure those scores are on the missing disc.
This is a list of the individual dvds which had isolated scores (as "easter eggs"). The episodes were not released in chronological order. I dont know where you live, but you can find them on Amazon. com, and possibly as rentals or at public libraries.
One score you want appears to be on Vol. 32.
Volume 28:
“Mute” - Isolated Musical Score
Volume 29:
“A Nice Place to Visit” - Isolated Musical Score
“A Penny for Your Thoughts” - Isolated Musical Score
“Little Girl Lost” - Isolated Musical Score
Volume 30:
“Jess-Belle” - Isolated Musical Score
“Sounds and Silences” - Isolated Musical Score
“Caesar and Me”
Volume 31:
“Miniature” - (1) Isolated Musical Score;
“Stopover in a Quiet Town” - Isolated Musical Score
Volume 32:
“Nightmare as a Child” - (1) Isolated Musical Score;
“Person or Persons Unknown” - (1) Isolated Musical Score;
“Printer’s Devil” - Isolated Musical Score
Volume 33:
“The Little People” - (1) Isolated Musical Score;
“No Time Like the Past” - (1) Isolated Musical Score;
“The Encounter” - Isolated Musical Score
Volume 34:
“A Stop at Willoughby” - (1) Isolated Musical Score;
“Twenty-Two” - Isolated Musical Score
“I Dream of Genie” - Isolated Musical Score
Volume 35:
“Static” - Isolated Musical Score
“Four O’Clock” - (1) Isolated Musical Score;
“The Parallel” - (1) Isolated Musical Score;
Volume 36:
“The Chaser” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) 2 Kleenex Bumpers; Rod Serling Preview; “Wanted Dead or Alive” Bumper
“The Rip Van Winkle Caper” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) 2 Oasis Bumpers; “Gunsmoke” Bumper
“The New Exhibit” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) Studebaker/Pepsi-Cola/Franklin Peanuts Bumper; Generic Bumper; L&M/Johnson & Johnson Bumper
Volume 37:
“Hocus-Pocus and Frisby” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) Rey’s Lather Bumper; Rod Serling Preview; Pepsi-Cola Bumper
“Of Late I Think of Cliffordsville” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) Rambler/Johnson & Johnson Preview; 2 Generic Bumpers; Pepsi-Cola/Johnson & Johnson Bumper
“Mr. Garrity and the Graves” - 2 Pall Mall Bumpers; Rod Serling Preview
Volume 39:
“Mr. Bevis” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) 2 Kleenex Bumpers; “Wanted Dead or Alive” Bumper
“The Silence” - 2 Oasis Bumpers; Rod Serling Preview & Oasis Plug; “Gunsmoke” Bumper
“On Thursday We Leave for Home” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) Pepsi-Cola Bumper; 2 Generic Bumpers; L&M/Johnson & Johnson Bumper
Volume 40:
“Cavender is Coming” - Isolated Musical Score
“Passage on the Lady Anne” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) Pretty Curl/Johnson & Johnson Bumper; 2 Generic Bumpers; Johnson & Johnson/Metri-Cal/Chesterfield Bumper
Volume 41:
“The Mighty Casey” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) 2 Kleenex Bumpers; “Wanted Dead or Alive” Bumper
“Will the Real Martian Please Stand Up?” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) Colgate Bumper; Bio-Root Bumper; “The Ed Sullivan Show” Bumper Narrated by Sullivan
“The Changing of the Guard” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) Bufferin Bumper; Arrid Bumper; “The Promise of America” Booklet Bumper
“Come Wander with Me” - Isolated Musical Score
Volume 42:
“The Bard” - Isolated Musical Score
“The Bewitchin’ Pool” - Isolated Musical Score
Volume 43:
“The Private World of Darkness” aka Eye of Beholder- (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) 2 Aroma-Roast Sanka Bumpers; Generic Bumper; Rod Serling Preview (for “Nick of Time”); “The Andy Griffith Show” Bumper
“A World of His Own” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) 2 Kleenex Bumpers; “Wanted Dead or Alive” Bumper
“A Thing About Machines” - (1) Isolated Musical Score; (2) 2 Aroma-Roast Sanka Bumpers; Political Party Bumper
Example on how to access isolated scores.
For "World of his own," highlight the review star for “A World of His Own,” and press right to highlight the first star (the isolated score egg). Press right for the second star (the bumper egg).
LAST CHILD:
Thank you especially for that info about that Easter egg thing on the Volume 43 DVD for the isolated score of A WORLD OF HIS OWN. It contains two different cues from a radio score from an obscure Bernard Herrmann radio show score from 1938/39 or so, named NEVER COME MONDAY (later re-recorded for the CBS music library). Those cues, as of this writing, are available nowhere else, as far as I know. Even the broadcast of that radio show does not seem to exist.
Thanks again. For me, this is a major find.
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I think a box set a la St TOS would be a big seller. First it would be bought up by everyone here. Second imagine advertising just once during a syfy TWZ marathon. There were so many people watching twz marathon New Years. They were under 40 and watching marathons for years. LaLaLand, your next big project? Intrada?
Trying to but there are some issues getting in the way
Perhaps one day
MV
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